Origin of God? (The nature of a \'Creator\')
DAVID: I'm simply following the analysis of Karen Armstrong in her book "A History of God", 1993, which follows the mature development of human concepts re' God as the religious books appeared.-dhw: A conversation-stopper if ever there was one. Please explain what you yourself understand by “mature”, and why you think the various authors of the OT got God all wrong and why the Koran got it right, although when we look at God's works we see a mixture of the NT's love and the OT's forceful fearsomeness. Or do you not see the mixture?-DAVID: That is Armstrong's interpretation which I accept. We can only tell about God and what he might be like from what we see He has created. In the OT He takes sides in wars and gives away land, threatens Abraham, turns Lot's wife into salt. Rather savage and immature concepts. In the NT finally love and honoring others comes to the fore. Certainly more mature, but we don't know that God loves us, that being a human hopefulness about God. So finally all we can do is look at that He created which included us and our lives.-So the mature view of God should equal convincing ourselves that he represents love and honour, not war and fear, but that is a matter of hope, and all we can do is look at the mixture of love, honour, war and fear he created, and conclude that he is…? Well, what do you see as the “mature” concept of God?
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2016-04-09, 12:38
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2017-11-14, 12:04
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2017-11-13, 13:03
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romansh,
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romansh,
2016-04-23, 20:50
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2016-04-23, 06:08
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romansh,
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2016-04-15, 14:37
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-15, 16:00
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dhw,
2016-04-16, 09:26
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2016-04-16, 16:07
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-17, 13:11
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-17, 15:26
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dhw,
2016-04-18, 14:09
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2016-04-18, 18:20
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-19, 13:31
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2016-04-19, 16:23
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2016-04-20, 12:48
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2016-04-20, 19:13
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-21, 13:44
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- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-22, 15:00
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-22, 19:28
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-23, 13:04
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-23, 15:53
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-24, 12:58
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 15:04
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-25, 12:20
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-25, 15:01
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-26, 20:49
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- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-26, 20:49
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-25, 15:01
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-25, 12:20
- Origin of God? -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 17:29
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2016-04-24, 18:55
- Origin of God? -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 23:08
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- Origin of God? -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 23:08
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 18:55
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 15:04
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-24, 12:58
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-23, 15:53
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-23, 13:04
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 19:28
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dhw,
2016-04-22, 15:00
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-22, 02:55
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dhw,
2016-04-21, 13:44
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dhw,
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2016-04-18, 14:09
- Origin of God? -
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2016-04-17, 15:26
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dhw,
2016-04-17, 13:11
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2016-04-16, 09:26
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