Concepts of God: God does not exist in time (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Sunday, March 07, 2021, 15:47 (1145 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: If he can and does work in our time/universe, then it is absurd to say he does not exist in our time and universe. What do you mean by he is “timeless” if you don’t mean he is eternal? How does eternal-ness come to mean that he does not exist in time? It simply means he has no beginning and no end. That does not exclude the “passage of time”, as evinced by what you believe was the creation of the universe from an unknown “before” through sequence after sequence of time-dependent causes and effects.

DAVID: God works in our time, which means a portion of His consciousness is here at work. But that is just an extension from His real existence which is eternal andoutside the universe He created. We agree.

I don’t know what you mean by his “real” existence. Being eternal does not mean that he is unreal when he is busy creating sequences of causes and effects, which he could hardly do if he did not exist inside the universe and inside time. But I’m glad you agree, and we can make our way out of this particular cul de sac.

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I will have to return later to answer yesterday's remaining posts. I'm very pressed for time, which is all too real at the moment!