Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Thursday, November 09, 2017, 14:23 (2570 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Of course God is human oriented. We have part of His universal consciousness through the brain He gave us. Once again, the giant universe is not an argument for atheism.

dhw: You claimed the fallacy in their reasoning was that the authors relied on the Bible, and it is “not clear that the Bible's description of God's purpose and thoughts are accurate, since the books of the Bible are written by humans who would like God to be close and prefer doing nice things for humans.” The Bible makes God human-oriented, and so do you. May I suggest that ALTHOUGH you agree with the Bible’s teaching that God is human-oriented, you do not regard the giant universe as a reason for atheism...

DAVID: My thought about the universe is that God planned it to evolve and produce the Earth:
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-the-universe/

QUOTE: "The famous Kalam cosmological argument is a three-part argument that the universe requires a first cause. Its name reflects its roots in Islamic thought.”

The rest of the article is all about proving that God is the first cause. The fact that you believe in God as the first cause does not explain why he needed the big, big universe in order to produce the brain of Homo sapiens (the human-oriented vision of God you share with the Bible). The authors regard this as evidence for atheism. Hence my conclusion: "For you the fallacy in the authors’ reasoning would then be that your God must have had a human-oriented reason for the giant universe, even though you can’t think of one. Alternatively a different type of theist could argue that the giant universe merely indicates that God was NOT human-oriented but had other purposes in mind." Which of these alternatives do you regard as true?