Consciousness: not explained by panpsychism (General)

by David Turell , Monday, November 05, 2018, 20:26 (2208 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You simply refuse to recognize that life and speciation are unique phenomena which nobody can explain. Yet again: I do not accept that human birth canals, whales’ fins, spiders’ webs, weaverbirds’ nests, monarch butterflies’ migration all had to be planned before they were needed in anticipation of conditions that did not exist. I find it far more logical that they all resulted from the needs or opportunities created by changing conditions.

DAVID: Again, an example of your magical thinking. Needs and opportunities don't design, when design is required.

dhw: Again an example of your dislocated thinking. You have forgotten that in my hypothesis it is the intelligent cells/cell communities that do the designing, in response to the needs and opportunities.

I've not forgotten it.

DAVID: Thirdly, the formless energy we find is not conscious, nor are aware of any way it can create its own consciousness. Therefore a pre-existing designing mind is required. Further logic not necessary.

dhw: Consciousness has to be designed, the formless energy we find is not conscious, and therefore there must be a form of formless energy that we are not aware of whose consciousness doesn't have to be designed but simply is. No, I’m afraid I do not find that logical. Sorry.

DAVID: That is why you are agnostic. Your logic doesn't carry as far as mine.

dhw: Even you have admitted that your belief ultimately rests on faith, not on logic. That is why whenever I pinpoint the illogicality of your arguments, you fall back on the mantra that your God’s logic is different from ours.

My logic leads to faith with the preponderance of evidence I've presented.