Theodicy: solution lies in definition of God (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, October 08, 2021, 08:55 (15 days ago) @ David Turell

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DAVID: Evolution connects everything. You can't split it up into unrelated parts.

dhw: You have already done so with your theory of Cambrian species without precursors, but in any case, the only connection between all the branches of evolution is that they descend from a single root – bacteria. Countless branches have lived and died, but that does not mean they were all connected with humans and our food.

DAVID: See the Cambrian discussion in the other thread. You are still slicing and dicing evolution to no effect. It is a general relationship of stages evolution with necessary food supply. Of course we are now not directly related to platypus, but at one time mammals were evolving.

You have sliced and diced evolution by claiming that your God not only designed every individual life form, but sometimes did so using precursors and sometimes did so from scratch (Cambrian – no precursors). You don’t need to tell us that all life forms need food or that at one time mammals evolved. I keep asking you why your God specially designed countless life forms, including mammals, and their food that had no connection with us humans and our food, although his sole purpose was to produce us humans and our food. You just go on month after month trying to dodge the question.

dhw: How can we eat animals that no longer exist?

DAVID: Same silly approach, we obviously eat what is present.

dhw: So stop pretending that every single species of animal that ever existed was necessary for OUR food supply.

DAVID: Silly: your wildest twist. We eat what is presently available, not ancient food which fed our ancestors.

So why do you keep insisting that the WHOLE bush was necessary to feed humans?

DAVID: […] It is simple to accept that God chose to evolve us in necessary stages. All evolution is connected in branching stages.

dhw: It is indeed simple for any evolutionist to accept that ALL life forms branched out in stages from earlier life forms. That does not mean that all extinct life forms plus food, most of which had no connection with humans plus food, existed only “as part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” plus food.

DAVID: It does if one believe God evolved us from bacteria.

dhw: Firstly, that is no longer clear since you believe the Cambrian yielded species with no precursors , and secondly, our evolution from bacteria does not explain why your God would have specially designed life forms which had no connection with his “direct intentionality” to create us and our food.

DAVID: Just accept a designer and your constant confusion will disappear. All life needs a big bush of food supply.

But…yet again!... if humans were your God’s only goal, why would the designer design countless forms of life and food that had no connection with humans? Just accept that your designer might have had a different goal, or might NOT have individually designed every life form and food, “and your constant confusion will disappear”.


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