Theodicy: solution lies in definition of God (Introduction)
DAVID: I can certainly accept this view, since I have previously proposed that when good bacteria venture into bad places they act badly. Your statement conflates two different issues. We are agreeing (I think) on freedom of action causing trouble…..
dhw: Wonderful! Thank you for accepting the concept of a free-for-all as a solution to the problem of theodicy.
DAVID: ...but biochemical mistakes are a very different issue, and you do not seem to understand the speed requires means some molecule will not act properly, miss-fold or whatever other mistake can happen. I think God could only make life this way. Errorless biochemical life cannot exist.
dhw: I understand. I am only surprised that your all-powerful God was apparently unable to find an errorless way of designing life (I’d prefer to imagine that he actually wanted to create it this way...I’ll explain why if you’d like me to), and that he apparently even provided ways of correcting some of the errors, but despite his omnipotence couldn’t manage it with some, and so apparently left it to us humans to do what he couldn’t do.
DAVID: I have no idea what you prefer to imagine about God, but I am convinced God could do no better with this form of life He created. Can there be any other form? I doubt it.
dhw: So you are convinced that your all-powerful God’s powers are limited, but he kindly left us humans to solve some of the problems he couldn’t solve.
I believe the creation of our type of life results in a biochemical system which must act at such high speed, molecules, which are constantly changing in response to changing forces that act upon them, on rare occasion make a mistake. The system obviously works as evidenced by our advanced ages without mistakes.. The mistakes are actually exceedingly rare, but the consequences are so awful they seem to result in a problem bigger than it really is. If this s the best God can do, there can be no better.
Complete thread:
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-06, 21:49
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-07, 11:26
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-07, 18:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-08, 13:29
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-08, 18:12
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-09, 14:21
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-09, 15:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-10, 09:34
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-10, 19:57
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-11, 13:49
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-11, 16:27
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-12, 14:27
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-12, 16:16
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-13, 11:27
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-13, 17:51
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-14, 12:46
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-14, 19:18
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-15, 08:59
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-15, 18:40
- Theodicy: humans can treat a bad bug - David Turell, 2020-10-15, 19:25
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-16, 11:47
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-16, 15:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-17, 11:53
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-17, 17:26
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-18, 13:39
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-18, 19:07
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-19, 14:15
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-19, 19:46
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-20, 07:38
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-20, 17:49
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-21, 10:30
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-21, 17:28
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-22, 12:01
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-22, 19:03
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-23, 07:53
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-23, 17:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-24, 09:08
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-24, 18:16
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-25, 13:13
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-25, 18:47
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-26, 11:08
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-26, 22:15
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-27, 09:16
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-27, 18:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-28, 08:48
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-28, 18:09
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-29, 09:00
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-29, 18:41
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-30, 09:04
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-30, 22:04
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-31, 11:50
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-31, 18:54
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-01, 11:57
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-01, 19:05
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-02, 12:45
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-02, 18:17
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-03, 08:17
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-03, 17:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-04, 11:22
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-04, 18:32
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-05, 10:17
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-05, 15:29
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-06, 11:17
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-06, 18:02
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-07, 08:23
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-07, 19:34
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-08, 08:37
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-08, 17:52
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-09, 11:09
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-09, 14:58
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-10, 11:24
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-10, 18:27
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-11, 10:59
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-11, 18:26
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-12, 12:15
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-12, 17:40
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-13, 07:18
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-13, 23:15
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-14, 11:50
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-14, 23:13
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-15, 12:16
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-15, 18:58
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-16, 14:43
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-16, 18:23
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-17, 12:34
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-17, 16:38
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-18, 11:43
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-18, 19:41
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-19, 11:07
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-19, 15:20
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-20, 12:03
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-20, 19:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-21, 07:16
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-21, 19:05
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-22, 11:44
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-22, 16:29
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-23, 11:29
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-23, 15:29
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-24, 11:01
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-24, 14:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-25, 11:36
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-25, 14:52
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-26, 10:40
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-26, 15:39
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-27, 11:15
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-27, 17:58
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-28, 10:46
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-28, 15:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-29, 09:05
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-29, 15:36
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-30, 13:42
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-30, 14:29
- Theodicy - dhw, 2020-12-01, 14:02
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-30, 14:29
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-30, 13:42
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-29, 15:36
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-29, 09:05
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-28, 15:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-28, 10:46
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-27, 17:58
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-27, 11:15
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-26, 15:39
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-26, 10:40
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-25, 14:52
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-25, 11:36
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-24, 14:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-24, 11:01
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-23, 15:29
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-23, 11:29
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-22, 16:29
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-22, 11:44
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-21, 19:05
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-21, 07:16
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-20, 19:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-20, 12:03
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-19, 15:20
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-19, 11:07
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-18, 19:41
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-18, 11:43
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-17, 16:38
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-17, 12:34
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-16, 18:23
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-16, 14:43
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-15, 18:58
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-15, 12:16
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-14, 23:13
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-14, 11:50
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-13, 23:15
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-13, 07:18
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-12, 17:40
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-12, 12:15
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-11, 18:26
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-11, 10:59
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-10, 18:27
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-10, 11:24
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-09, 14:58
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-09, 11:09
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-08, 17:52
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-08, 08:37
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-07, 19:34
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-07, 08:23
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-06, 18:02
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-06, 11:17
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-05, 15:29
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-05, 10:17
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-04, 18:32
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-04, 11:22
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-03, 17:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-03, 08:17
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-02, 18:17
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-02, 12:45
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-11-01, 19:05
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-11-01, 11:57
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-31, 18:54
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-31, 11:50
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-30, 22:04
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-30, 09:04
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-29, 18:41
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-29, 09:00
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-28, 18:09
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-28, 08:48
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-27, 18:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-27, 09:16
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-26, 22:15
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-26, 11:08
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-25, 18:47
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-25, 13:13
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-24, 18:16
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-24, 09:08
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-23, 17:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-23, 07:53
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-22, 19:03
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-22, 12:01
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-21, 17:28
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-21, 10:30
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-20, 17:49
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-20, 07:38
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-19, 19:46
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-19, 14:15
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-18, 19:07
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-18, 13:39
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-17, 17:26
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-17, 11:53
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-16, 15:37
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-15, 18:40
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-15, 08:59
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-14, 19:18
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-14, 12:46
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-13, 17:51
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-13, 11:27
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-12, 16:16
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-12, 14:27
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-11, 16:27
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-11, 13:49
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-10, 19:57
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-10, 09:34
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-09, 15:19
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-09, 14:21
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-08, 18:12
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-08, 13:29
- Theodicy -
David Turell,
2020-10-07, 18:37
- Theodicy -
dhw,
2020-10-07, 11:26