Theodicy: solution lies in definition of God (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Friday, September 24, 2021, 15:56 (326 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Again describing a God unsure of His future creations doesn't change the picture of a weak struggling God, compared to my God who creates with specific purposes.

dhw: I’ve just answered this, so why do you repeat it?

DAVID: To show our different God's personalities.

dhw: There is no difference in personality, since we agree that if he exists, he has a brilliant mind, has specific purposes, knows what he intends to do, and does it. The only differences lie in our theories concerning his intentions and his methods, and in the fact that while you agree that all my proposals fit in logically with the history of life, your own makes no sense even to you. (So you tell me to go and ask God for an explanation.)

The differences in purposes ascribed to God by both of us are vastly different and result from totally different views of God, Himself. The bold above is a correct statement. The differences follow in intentions and methods

DAVID: Your complaint is a total dodge itself!!! I won't bother to answer other than to remind you only evolving us or directly creating us are only the two alternatives available to God.

dhw: But by "evolve" you mean personally design, so a third method would be to leave the evolution of ALL life forms to the cell communities which he endowed with the intelligence to do their own designing (though he could also dabble).

DAVID: We know He evolved us. We are the last major organism that has arrived. I believe God evolved us which makes us His goal.

dhw: But you believe your God also evolved [= designed] every other life form and food supply, including all those that had no connection with humans and their food, and so they must also have been his goal! Why would a purposeful God design them if he had no purpose for designing them?

The huge hole in your logic is evolution happened. I believe God conducted it and so the history of evolution tells us what God did. Our debate is about why did He do it that way, and my simple answer is that was His choice of a creation method.

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