Consciousness; free will exists (Introduction)
A new confirmatory study:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too...
"In 2008 a group of researchers found that some information about an upcoming decision is present in the brain up to 10 seconds in advance, long before people reported making the decision of when or how to act.
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"Most empirical studies of free will—including Libet’s—have focused on these kinds of arbitrary actions. In such actions, researchers can indeed “read out” our brain activity and trace information about our movements and choices before we even realize we are about to make them. But if these actions don’t matter to us, is it all that notable that they are initiated unconsciously? More significant decisions—such as whether to take a job, get married or move to a different country—are infinitely more interesting and complex and are quite consciously made.
"If we start working with a more philosophically grounded understanding of free will, we realize that only a small subset of our everyday actions is important enough to worry about. We want to feel in control of those decisions, the ones whose outcomes make a difference in our life and whose responsibility we feel on our shoulders. It is in this context—decisions that matter—that the question of free will most naturally applies.
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"In 2019 neuroscientists Uri Maoz, Liad Mudrik and their colleagues investigated that idea. They presented participants with a choice of two nonprofit organizations to which they could donate $1,000. People could indicate their preferred organization by pressing the left or right button. In some cases, participants knew that their choice mattered because the button would determine which organization would receive the full $1,000. In other cases, people knowingly made meaningless choices because they were told that both organizations would receive $500 regardless of their selection. The results were somewhat surprising. Meaningless choices were preceded by a readiness potential, just as in previous experiments. Meaningful choices were not, however. When we care about a decision and its outcome, our brain appears to behave differently than when a decision is arbitrary.
"Even more interesting is the fact that ordinary people’s intuitions about free will and decision-making do not seem consistent with these findings. Some of our colleagues, including Maoz and neuroscientist Jake Gavenas, recently published the results of a large survey, with more than 600 respondents, in which they asked people to rate how “free” various choices made by others seemed. Their ratings suggested that people do not recognize that the brain may handle meaningful choices in a different way from more arbitrary or meaningless ones. People tend, in other words, to imagine all their choices—from which sock to put on first to where to spend a vacation—as equally “free,” even though neuroscience suggests otherwise."
What this tells us is that free will may exist, but it may not operate in the way we intuitively imagine. In the same vein, there is a second intuition that must be addressed to understand studies of volition. When experiments have found that brain activity, such as the readiness potential, precedes the conscious intention to act, some people have jumped to the conclusion that they are “not in charge.” They do not have free will, they reason, because they are somehow subject to their brain activity.
Comment: this definitive approach clearly supports free will and doesn't jump to Libetian conclusions
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- Consciousness; free will exists - David Turell, 2023-01-18, 01:38
- Consciousness; free will exists -
David Turell,
2021-06-15, 04:58
- Consciousness; brain's role -
David Turell,
2016-07-17, 15:33
- Consciousness; brain's role -
David Turell,
2016-07-16, 15:42
- Consciousness; brain's role -
dhw,
2016-07-16, 10:09
- Consciousness; brain's role -
David Turell,
2016-07-15, 23:15
- Consciousness; brain's role -
dhw,
2016-07-15, 12:30
- Consciousness; brain's role -
David Turell,
2016-07-14, 19:05
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2018-06-18, 23:28
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-19, 12:58
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2018-06-19, 18:06
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-20, 13:08
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2018-06-20, 15:43
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-21, 13:01
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2018-06-21, 15:29
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-22, 13:09
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness - David Turell, 2018-06-22, 18:38
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-22, 13:09
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2018-06-21, 15:29
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-21, 13:01
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2018-06-20, 15:43
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-20, 13:08
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2018-06-19, 18:06
- Consciousness; in Indian philosophy - David Turell, 2019-01-10, 20:24
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
David Turell,
2022-01-21, 20:23
- Consciousness; philosopher on free will -
David Turell,
2023-12-06, 15:49
- Consciousness; philosopher on free will - David Turell, 2024-05-20, 21:28
- Consciousness; philosopher on free will -
David Turell,
2023-12-06, 15:49
- Consciousness; an article touting universal consciousness -
dhw,
2018-06-19, 12:58
- Consciousness; brain's role -
dhw,
2016-07-14, 12:22
- Consciousness; brain's role -
David Turell,
2016-07-13, 19:31
- Consciousness; metacognition -
David Turell,
2016-07-08, 19:29
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. -
David Turell,
2015-07-05, 19:02
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. -
romansh,
2015-07-05, 16:06
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. -
David Turell,
2015-07-04, 18:31
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. -
romansh,
2015-07-04, 15:30
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. Romansh? -
David Turell,
2015-06-27, 18:29
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. Romansh? -
romansh,
2015-06-27, 15:04
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. Romansh? -
David Turell,
2015-06-26, 19:16
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. Romansh? -
romansh,
2015-06-26, 14:29
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. Romansh? -
dhw,
2015-06-25, 15:36
- Consciousness; a radically new theory. Romansh? -
dhw,
2015-06-24, 21:10
- Consciousness; a radicaly new theory. Romansh? -
David Turell,
2015-06-24, 14:59
- Consciousness; proposed new research -
David Turell,
2015-06-20, 20:06
- Consciousness; proposed new research -
dhw,
2015-06-20, 10:55
- Consciousness; proposed new research -
David Turell,
2015-06-19, 18:42
- Consciousness; proposed new research -
dhw,
2015-06-19, 16:35
- Consciousness; proposed new research -
David Turell,
2015-06-18, 20:03
- Consciousness; proposed new research -
dhw,
2015-06-18, 08:54