Consciousness; a radically new theory. Diaphonous? (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, July 12, 2015, 21:42 (3210 days ago) @ romansh

Romansh: Well if that you don't notice the disconnect ... is that a the receiver's problem or is it a problem for consciousness. 
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> For example for approximately two hours our waking day we are effectively blind. our brains cobble together a "seamless" visual reality.-I understand your point. But we are not 'effectively blind'. I know the brain cobbles things together for us, like pattern recognition. It also grows itself new connections when we study something new. That is why it relates to us in a seamless fashion. The brain amazingly does things for us on its own, making our perception of reality an easier job. How would you suggest that happened through a mindless, chance evolutionary process?-> > David: The First Law states that energy cannot be destroyed. It just changes form. You are implying that consciousness contains energy, I think, and that is exactly the mystery presented by consciousness.
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> Romansh: Whether it contains energy or not is an interesting question.-Well, do you think conscious thought contains energy?-> Romansh:But if we could put ourselves in a appropriate calorimeter then when consciousness exerts its stuff on the material world, then there should be a change in energy in the material world.-But does consciousness exert 'its stuff on the material world'? Can thought bend spoons? I think not. But while I don't think that consciousness can directly affect the material world, my thoughts make me do mechanical actions that directly affect the material world. I only see separation. However, I agree with Sheldrake that mental telepathy occurs from my own experiences and my wife's, to make it personal.
 
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> Romansh: Essentially I am arguing we if the universal consciousness is actually doing anything we should be able in principle to measure it.-If you are using the universal consciousness concept as a substitute for God, as I do, then you are talking about energy measurements at the basic level of reality, quantum physics, the uncertainty principals and all the other weirdness of quantum activity. I view god as permanently hidden behind that wall and not measurable.