Magic embryology: placenta maintains symmetry (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, September 22, 2018, 15:51 (2037 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

DHW: A is inaccurate. My hypothesis is that energy and matter are the eternal first cause, constantly giving rise to endless combinations. Intelligence “somehow” evolved through these changes, just as your first cause God energy “somehow” simply has his intelligence. If you want to pin me down, I actually find it impossible to believe that all matter is intelligent, but I do not find the idea that some matter evolved intelligence any more or any less plausible than that first cause energy already had intelligence. From the moment when matter intelligently coalesced to form the first living organisms, your account is correct.

I do not accept C. I believe that stuff happened because of intelligence, but I do not know whether that intelligence was there from the beginning (your God) or evolved out of impersonal energy and materials eternally entering into new combinations.

Tony: I think energy always existed. I think the entity referred to as God, is comprised of that energy. However, I do not assert that his intelligence has always existed. The energy itself is eternal, and in that sense, God is eternal, having neither a beginning nor an end. However, I am perfectly ok with the concept that the information that comprises his intellect developed slowly over unimaginably long periods of time.

David: I'm of the opinion that God is eternal energy and always had His knowledge and there have been more than this universe in the past, in that universes stretch back to a previous eternity. We are in the current iteration.

Tony: I could even go with the first part of that, though the answer is likely moot, even if we did have it. I don't think the time scales are fathomable really by humans in any significant way.

However, the latter part I have a harder time with. I see evidence of a designer everywhere. What evidence is there for prior universes?

My statement is based on First Cause as a concept. Nothingness cannot become somethingness. Therefore a creating God is eternal. As for evidence of a previous universe, that is not possible since we are fully contained in this one. So only God contains the evidence, and I don't see that He will impart it to us.