A THEORY OF INTELLIGENCE Part Two; addendum (Identity)

by David Turell , Monday, July 16, 2018, 18:27 (2321 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Finally. Welcome to my thinking for the first time. We know full well we think with our brain. The hard issue has always been how are wet ions running round between neurons translatable into understandable immaterial thought.

dhw: I’m flabbergasted and rather depressed that you regard the above as an accurate account of your thinking! And I’m astonished that someone who claims to be a dualist believes that thought is sent to the soul in electrical discharges by what used to be the passive recipient brain, and that what used to be the active thinking soul is now the passive receiver whose job is to translate the unintelligible thoughts electrically discharged from the now thinking brain into English. Why don’t you just have the brain thinking in English and forget about the soul? Ah, but then there’s your afterlife, as below…

I've never changed my view. Of course I/soul think with my brain, and I/soul use those wet ions in the creation of thought. My brain doesn't tell me what to think, I/soul tell the brain what to think. We have no explanation how wet ions produce intelligible thought, which is why I think the soul provides the mechanism. I think the soul is a companion quantum representation of me. If the brain thought in English and not in electricity there would be no problem. You don't like my rubbing your nose into the real issue.

DAVID: I have always proposed the soul has a mechanism for doing that. It develops the thought using the wet ions and then at the finish it brings the thought out into our minds which also are immaterial, but which we can reach through the soul. In death, rejoining the universal consciousness, it has the new mechanism of telepathy to handle thought translation.

dhw: Dualism = the self consists of soul and body/brain.

No the soul uses the brain. the souk is not the brain

dhw: We and the mind and the soul are one, and the wet ions are produced by the brain. So apparently you have always proposed that the soul develops thought out of the brain and then the soul brings the thought into the soul so that our soul can reach the thought through the soul.

You are making it sound more complex than I view it. Simply the soul uses the brain networks to create and broadcast in the mind the thought.

. dhw: And in death the soul uses telepathy to translate into English the thoughts which the now non-existent wet ions carry from the now non-existent brain to the soul.

Has to be if the brain is gone.

dhw: The soul gathers information from the brain and then sends instructions to the brain to express/implement its thoughts. What other use does the soul make of the brain (apart from your new and unintelligible wet ion translation theory)?

DAVID: My wet ions are reality. The soul uses those wet ion to create and produce thought. That is the material side of dualism.

dhw: Of course they are reality. And the thinking soul uses them as stated above. But your account of the process does not show the soul using them to create and produce thought.

You have misinterpreted my thought. Clearly the soul actively uses the passive wet ions in the production and broadcasting the thought.

dhw: Once more, I beg of your soul to stop putting this theory into your wet ions, or I beg of your wet ions to stop carrying this theory to your soul.

Sorry you are so disturbed, but this is my theory from the beginning of our discussions. Nothing has changed in my viewpoint. All I've added is the actual description of how the brain works, passively, in working with me/soul. The hard problem of consciousness is what my conversation with you represents. I/soul initiates a thought which ends up as wet ions, and must come back out to my mind as intelligible words. My soul as my quantum companion does all of that, in my proposal to solve the hard problem.