Cosmology: gravitational waves scar spacetime (Introduction)
They leave a permanent distortion which changes information:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/gravitational-waves-should-permanently-distort-space-tim...
"The “gravitational memory effect” predicts that a passing gravitational wave should forever alter the structure of space-time. Physicists have linked the phenomenon to fundamental cosmic symmetries and a potential solution to the black hole information paradox.
"The first detection of gravitational waves in 2016 provided decisive confirmation of Einstein’s general theory of relativity. But another astounding prediction remains unconfirmed: According to general relativity, every gravitational wave should leave an indelible imprint on the structure of space-time. It should permanently strain space, displacing the mirrors of a gravitational wave detector even after the wave has passed.
"Since that first detection almost six years ago, physicists have been trying to figure out how to measure this so-called “memory effect.”
“'The memory effect is absolutely a strange, strange phenomenon,” said Paul Lasky, an astrophysicist at Monash University in Australia. “It’s really deep stuff.”
"Their goals are broader than just glimpsing the permanent space-time scars left by a passing gravitational wave. By exploring the links between matter, energy and space-time, physicists hope to come to a better understanding of Stephen Hawking’s black hole information paradox, which has been a major focus of theoretical research for going on five decades. “There’s an intimate connection between the memory effect and the symmetry of space-time,” said Kip Thorne, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology whose work on gravitational waves earned him part of the 2017 Nobel Prize in Physics. “It is connected ultimately to the loss of information in black holes, a very deep issue in the structure of space and time.”
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"According to the memory effect, after the passing of the wave, the circle should remain permanently deformed by a tiny amount. The reason why has to do with the particularities of gravity as described by general relativity.
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“'The memory is nothing but the change in the gravitational potential,” said Thorne, “but it’s a relativistic gravitational potential.” The energy of a passing gravitational wave creates a change in the gravitational potential; that change in potential distorts space-time, even after the wave has passed.
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"...space-time has the potential to store information, which could be the key to solving the infamous black hole information paradox. Briefly, the paradox is this: Information cannot be created or destroyed. So where does the information about particles go after they fall into a black hole and are re-emitted as information-less Hawking radiation?
"In 2016, Andrew Strominger, a physicist at Harvard University, along with Stephen Hawking and Malcolm Perry realized that the horizon of a black hole has the same supertranslation symmetries as those in asymptotically flat space. And by the same logic as before, there would be an accompanying memory effect. This meant the infalling particles could alter space-time near the black hole, thereby changing its information content. This offered a possible solution to the information paradox. Knowledge of the particles’ properties wasn’t lost — it was permanently encoded in the fabric of space-time.
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"Lasky and Schmidt have independently predicted that they’ll need over 1,000 gravitational wave events to accumulate enough statistics to confirm they’ve seen the memory effect. With ongoing improvements to LIGO, as well as contributions from the VIRGO detector in Italy and KAGRA in Japan, Lasky thinks reaching 1,000 detections is a few short years away."
Comment: So a black hole does not destroy information. That may solve the information paradox related to black holes. dhw should be willing to wait for research results, but unfortunately he isn't and constantly complains about God's deeds before they are understood..
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- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
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2017-10-21, 23:30
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- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-21, 23:30
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-21, 15:12
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-20, 18:15
- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
David Turell,
2017-10-19, 19:43
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
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2018-06-04, 00:05
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2018-06-04, 13:27
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved - David Turell, 2018-06-04, 14:17
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved - David Turell, 2018-06-04, 14:02
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2018-06-04, 13:27
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-19, 17:57
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-19, 12:53
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
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2017-10-18, 15:17
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-17, 19:02
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-16, 20:14
- Cosmology: another predicted particle found -
David Turell,
2017-10-04, 22:59
- Cosmology: another type of quantum gravity -
David Turell,
2017-09-21, 18:56
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness per Peter Woit -
David Turell,
2018-01-27, 18:50
- Cosmology: lots of planets out there. - David Turell, 2018-01-28, 22:23
- Cosmology: what the CMB reveals -
David Turell,
2020-01-28, 18:46
- Cosmology: quark gluon plasma - David Turell, 2020-02-01, 21:21
- Cosmology: gravity still unexplained -
David Turell,
2020-06-15, 19:42
- Cosmology: age of universe confirmed again -
David Turell,
2020-07-19, 22:49
- Cosmology: Milky Way North and South giant bubbles -
David Turell,
2021-01-06, 23:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way has a churning dangerous core -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 04:23
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-18, 04:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-19, 15:00
- Cosmology: Milky Way's violent history - David Turell, 2023-09-28, 23:26
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-19, 15:00
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-18, 04:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way has a churning dangerous core -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 04:23
- Cosmology: Milky Way North and South giant bubbles -
David Turell,
2021-01-06, 23:41
- Cosmology: age of universe confirmed again -
David Turell,
2020-07-19, 22:49
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness -
dhw,
2017-08-23, 11:06
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-07-07, 22:08
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-08-28, 19:30
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-01-11, 21:15
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-04-04, 17:13
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2023-07-13, 17:05
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2024-02-19, 19:00
- Cosmology: snowball Earth from methane drop -
David Turell,
2024-04-06, 17:27
- Cosmology: snowball Earth's last disappearance - David Turell, 2024-09-19, 19:08
- Cosmology: snowball Earth from methane drop -
David Turell,
2024-04-06, 17:27
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2024-02-19, 19:00
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2023-07-13, 17:05
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-04-04, 17:13
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-01-11, 21:15
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-08-28, 19:30
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness -
David Turell,
2017-08-23, 00:53
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2017-08-17, 17:42
- Cosmology: universe not lumpy; another take -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 19:52
- Cosmology: universe not lumpy -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 19:03
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:52
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-08, 01:08
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-06, 17:37
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
BBella,
2017-08-05, 23:29
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-05, 22:35
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-30, 11:07
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2017-07-27, 15:15
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-27, 10:59
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-18, 09:29
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2017-07-17, 21:56
- Cosmology: Is a unified theory coming soon? -
David Turell,
2010-11-05, 02:53
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2010-11-02, 23:54
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
David Turell,
2017-07-20, 18:51
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-08-04, 05:41
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino - David Turell, 2017-08-04, 15:41
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-08-04, 05:41