Cosmology: Latest theories of everything (Introduction)

by dhw, Monday, July 31, 2017, 08:24 (2460 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: But faith in a designer is not irrational. It can be, and is for me, a logical conclusion, if only chance and design as the ultimate causes are considered.

dhw: Again I must stress that I am not attacking your faith, and I find your arguments concerning design perfectly logical. However, you believe in a supernatural being large and powerful and knowledgeable enough to create a universe and life, you haven’t a clue how it could have come into existence but you assume it has always been there for ever and ever, even though you’ve never seen it because it deliberately hides itself, and you acknowledge that you can’t know any of its attributes. Do you really think this belief is rational? Something brought life into existence. That is as far as reason can take us. Your faith that the “something” could be an unknown and unknowable superbeing is as irrational as the faith that it could be a stroke of luck.

DAVID: Yes, something brought life into existence. What you skip in your discussion is that the biochemistry of life is so complex to create it logically requires a planning mind. The ID logic never goes any further. Can you go that far?

Nothing skipped. When I say “I find your arguments concerning design perfectly logical”, I mean that the biochemistry of life is so complex that I accept the logic of the argument that it appears to be designed. Yes, I can go that far, but for the reasons I have given, the logic cannot go any further, which is why “faith that the "something" could be an unknown and unknowable superbeing is as irrational as the faith that it could be a stroke of luck.” I presume you now agree.