Cosmology: Earth in goldylocks zone; dangerous (Introduction)

by dhw, Sunday, October 29, 2017, 13:27 (2581 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: You admit that my logic explains mysteries that your logic can’t solve, but you say “our human logic doesn’t apply”. So you can believe your illogical human logic, and you reject my logical human logic. Not much logic in that!

DAVID: Twisting my comments. All I have given you is that your theories are consistent with a descritpin the history of the universe and evolution. I think my theories are just as consistent. I did not use the word 'explain' which carries a much different meaning.

dhw: A theory is “an idea or set of ideas intended to explain something about life or the world” (Longman). If your theory can’t explain the history of the universe and evolution (but mine can), I don’t know what your theory is “consistent” with.

DAVID: My theory is consistent with a belief in God. Yours is descriptive with no cause demonstrated.

The theories we are discussing are THEISTIC: you can’t explain why your God made the universe so big, or why he designed eight stages of whale, or why with his ability for instantaneous speciation he had to design the weaverbird’s nest and the skull-shrinking shrew and umpteen hominins and hominids before he produced the one species he really wanted to produce. You admit that my theistic hypothesis does explain all this, and your only defence for rejecting it is that God’s logic is different from ours.

DAVID (under “mussel fiber stretching): Natural biologic 'inventions' teach us how to invent useful products. Is evolution itself, more brilliant than we are? Perhaps it is because God is the inventor.

Evolution never invented anything. Only organisms can invent. That leaves you with a stark theistic choice: Do you think your God preprogrammed mussel fibre stretching 3.8 billion years ago (as part of his effort to keep life going till he could produce the brain of Homo sapiens), personally intervened to teach mussels how to do it, or provided them with the intelligence to work it out themselves?