Cosmology: multiverse craziness (Introduction)
Science should be based on evidence. String theory and multiverse proposals have no evidence at all. Shouldn't they be abandoned?
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/08/the-multiverse-is-sciences-assisted-suicide/
"Eugene Lim insisted at The Conversation in 2015 that parallel universes are science: “Whether we will ever be able to prove their existence is hard to predict. But given the massive implications of such a finding it should definitely be worth the search.” Very well, but some people research ghosts on the same basis. What makes the multiverse quest “science” but the ghost hunt “anti-science,” once evidence no longer matters as much as it used to?
"Cosmologists sense the problem and strive to rescue their multiverse from the nagging demands for evidence. Pop science media offer a window into major trends.
"One is cosmic Darwinism. Lee Smolin has advocated a cosmic version of Darwinian natural selection in which the most common universes will be those most suitable for producing black holes, as our universe does. Is Darwinism the cause? In “The Logic and Beauty of Cosmological Natural Selection” (Scientific American, 2014), Lawrence Rifkin admitted that the main problem with the hypothesis is lack of direct evidence:
"But keep in mind that from a direct evidence perspective, cosmological natural selection is no worse off at this point than proposed scientific alternatives. There is no direct evidence that universes are created by quantum fluctuations in a quantum vacuum, that we live in a multiverse, that there is a theory of everything, or that string theory, cyclic universes or- brane cosmology even exist.
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"Physicist Ethan Siegel counsels at Forbes that we must not “doubt the Multiverse’s existence without considering the very good, scientific reasons that motivate it.” But “very good scientific reasons” are precisely what we lack, unless the term “scientific reasons” now includes immunity to “experimental and observational tests.” Similarly, physicist Brian Cox told us in 2016 that the “idea of multiverses is not too big a leap” from cosmic inflation. But he is dealing with leaps of the imagination, not of physics discoveries.
"Earlier this year, skeptical mathematician Peter Woit fretted with science writer John Horgan at Scientific American, “The problem with such things as string-theory multiverse theories is that ‘the multiverse did it’ is not just untestable, but an excuse for failure.”
Commenting elsewhere on Zeeya Merali’s A Big Bang in a Little Room (2017), he noted that she contemplates “the possibility that “string theory and inflation may be conspiring against us in such a way that we may never find evidence for them, and just have to trust in them as an act of faith.” He would describe it as “a scientifically worthless idea.”
"With a clash of world views, where to begin? Woit and Horgan assume that post-modern science is a quest to understand reality, just as traditional science has been. It is not.
"For many people today, post-modern science is more of a quest to express an identity as believer in science, irrespective of evidence. Cosmologist Paul Steinhardt got a sense of this in 2014, when he reported that some proponents of early rapid cosmic inflation “already insist that the theory is equally valid whether or not gravitational waves are detected.” It fulfilled their needs. In 2017, cosmologist George Ellis, long a foe of post-modern cosmology, summed it up: “Scientific theories have since the seventeenth century been held tight by an experimental leash. In the last twenty years or so, both string theory and theories of the multiverse have slipped the leash.”
"We have so much more data now. But it provides no evidence for a multiverse. That’s nothing unusual historically (think phlogiston and ether for great ideas that did not work). We used to just adjust. But today, increasing numbers of science-minded people demand a post-modern science that adapts to their needs. After all, we evolved to survive and pass on our genes, not to understand reality.
"As a result, many cosmologists and science writers speak as if the multiverse merely awaits routine administrative clearance to morph into textbook science, absent evidence.
Characteristically, they see themselves as fighting a conservative (fuddy-duddy) establishment which clings to a role for mere evidence.
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"The multiverse has only ever existed, so far as we know, in the mind of man. Its most promising research programs, string theory and early rapid cosmic inflation theory, have bounced along on enthusiasm alone, prompting ever more arcane speculations for which there may never be any possibility of evidence.
"But like so many other empty ideas, the multiverse has consequences. If we accept it, we abandon the view that science deals with the observed facts of nature. We adopt the view that it tells us what we want to believe about ourselves. In other words, the multiverse is science’s assisted suicide."
Comment: On this site we will be sure to use evidence from confirmed findings only!
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- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
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2017-10-22, 14:54
- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
dhw,
2017-10-22, 13:55
- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
David Turell,
2017-10-21, 23:34
- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
dhw,
2017-10-21, 15:15
- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
David Turell,
2017-10-20, 18:19
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- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
dhw,
2017-10-20, 17:12
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-20, 17:10
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-20, 18:15
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-21, 15:12
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-21, 23:30
- Cosmology: fine tuning revisited - David Turell, 2017-11-21, 00:29
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David Turell,
2017-10-21, 23:30
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-21, 15:12
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-20, 18:15
- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
David Turell,
2017-10-19, 19:43
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
John Kalber,
2018-06-04, 00:05
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dhw,
2018-06-04, 13:27
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved - David Turell, 2018-06-04, 14:17
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved - David Turell, 2018-06-04, 14:02
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dhw,
2018-06-04, 13:27
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-19, 17:57
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-19, 12:53
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-18, 15:17
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-17, 19:02
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-16, 20:14
- Cosmology: another predicted particle found -
David Turell,
2017-10-04, 22:59
- Cosmology: another type of quantum gravity -
David Turell,
2017-09-21, 18:56
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness per Peter Woit -
David Turell,
2018-01-27, 18:50
- Cosmology: lots of planets out there. - David Turell, 2018-01-28, 22:23
- Cosmology: what the CMB reveals -
David Turell,
2020-01-28, 18:46
- Cosmology: quark gluon plasma - David Turell, 2020-02-01, 21:21
- Cosmology: gravity still unexplained -
David Turell,
2020-06-15, 19:42
- Cosmology: age of universe confirmed again -
David Turell,
2020-07-19, 22:49
- Cosmology: Milky Way North and South giant bubbles -
David Turell,
2021-01-06, 23:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way has a churning dangerous core -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 04:23
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-18, 04:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-19, 15:00
- Cosmology: Milky Way's violent history - David Turell, 2023-09-28, 23:26
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-19, 15:00
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-18, 04:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way has a churning dangerous core -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 04:23
- Cosmology: Milky Way North and South giant bubbles -
David Turell,
2021-01-06, 23:41
- Cosmology: age of universe confirmed again -
David Turell,
2020-07-19, 22:49
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness -
dhw,
2017-08-23, 11:06
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-07-07, 22:08
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-08-28, 19:30
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-01-11, 21:15
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-04-04, 17:13
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2023-07-13, 17:05
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2024-02-19, 19:00
- Cosmology: snowball Earth from methane drop -
David Turell,
2024-04-06, 17:27
- Cosmology: snowball Earth's last disappearance - David Turell, 2024-09-19, 19:08
- Cosmology: snowball Earth from methane drop -
David Turell,
2024-04-06, 17:27
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2024-02-19, 19:00
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2023-07-13, 17:05
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-04-04, 17:13
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-01-11, 21:15
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-08-28, 19:30
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness -
David Turell,
2017-08-23, 00:53
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2017-08-17, 17:42
- Cosmology: universe not lumpy; another take -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 19:52
- Cosmology: universe not lumpy -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 19:03
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:52
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-08, 01:08
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-06, 17:37
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
BBella,
2017-08-05, 23:29
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-05, 22:35
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-30, 11:07
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2017-07-27, 15:15
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-27, 10:59
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-18, 09:29
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2017-07-17, 21:56
- Cosmology: Is a unified theory coming soon? -
David Turell,
2010-11-05, 02:53
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2010-11-02, 23:54
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
David Turell,
2017-07-20, 18:51
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-08-04, 05:41
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino - David Turell, 2017-08-04, 15:41
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-08-04, 05:41