Cosmology: Inflation theory under attack part 3 (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 14:56 (2586 days ago) @ dhw

Reblak: This leaves 'Mother Nature' appearing to be doing it unaided, but – for some, that is not so. They believe God implemented all the 'know how' at outset. Nonetheless, David chooses to believe that his God is not actually all knowing, all powerful, nor absolutely perfect! That seems a fair representation of David's view.

dhw: David has replied that his God may have limits. At other times he says his God is in total control. His view appears to change according to whatever objections are raised to his hypotheses.

DAVID: Not so. I accept primarily God has total control, but makes choices which make it appear He has limits. I admit He may have limits since I can't be sure.

dhw: I don’t know what you mean here by “primarily”. You “accept” that he has total control, and you “admit” that he may not have total control. And yet when I put on my theist hat and suggest that he has deliberately sacrificed control and allows evolution to run its course, you reject the very possibility.

Of course I reject, because I also keep in mind the ultimate purposes I think guide God. Even if He cannot have full control, He will nudge the processes until He achieves what He wants.

Reblak: Neither does it account for the evolution of homo sapiens through a very long period of hominids. Was this God entertaining itself, mucking about with early such lifeforms for millions of years until hitting upon making us? Or was it 'Mother Nature' wending her tortuous, largely automatic way through a web of possibility [which is still in progress].

dhw: A point I have made over and over again, and to which David is unable to give what I would regard as a logical reply.

DAVID: Balance of nature is logical for me.

dhw: Balance of nature means that life goes on so long as there are living organisms. It does not explain why your God, who according to you is capable of instantaneous creation of species (the Cambrian), and whose prime purpose was to create Homo sapiens, spent millions of years “mucking about” with all those hominins and hominids.

Simple answer: God uses evolutionary processes, as history shows.