Cosmology: another type of quantum gravity (Introduction)
A new theory assumes there are quanta in space that collapse their wave function and produce gravity:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531444-600-spontaneous-collapses-may-show-how-...
"HOW do you reconcile the two pillars of modern physics: quantum theory and gravity? One or both will have to give way. A new approach says gravity could emerge from random fluctuations at the quantum level, making quantum mechanics the more fundamental of the two theories.
"Of our two main explanations of reality, quantum theory governs the interactions between the smallest bits of matter. And general relativity deals with gravity and the largest structures in the universe. Ever since Einstein, physicists have been trying to bridge the gap between the two, with little success.
"Part of the problem is knowing which strands of each theory are fundamental to our understanding of reality.
"One approach towards reconciling gravity with quantum mechanics has been to show that gravity at its most fundamental comes in indivisible parcels called quanta, much like the electromagnetic force comes in quanta called photons. But this road to a theory of quantum gravity has so far proved impassable.
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"In quantum theory, the state of a particle is described by its wave function. The wave function lets you calculate, for example, the probability of finding the particle in one place or another on measurement. Before the measurement, it is unclear whether the particle exists and if so, where. Reality, it seems, is created by the act of measurement, which “collapses” the wave function.
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"One solution ...is a so-called GRW model that was developed in the late 1980s. It incorporates “flashes”, which are spontaneous random collapses of the wave function of quantum systems. The outcome is exactly as if there were measurements being made, but without explicit observers.
"Tilloy has modified this model to show how it can lead to a theory of gravity. In his model, when a flash collapses a wave function and causes a particle to be in one place, it creates a gravitational field at that instant in space-time. A massive quantum system with a large number of particles is subject to numerous flashes, and the result is a fluctuating gravitational field.
"It turns out that the average of these fluctuations is a gravitational field that one expects from Newton’s theory of gravity (arxiv.org/abs/1709.03809). This approach to unifying gravity with quantum mechanics is called semiclassical: gravity arises from quantum processes but remains a classical force. “There is no real reason to ignore this semiclassical approach, to having gravity being classical at the fundamental level,” says Tilloy.
“'I like this idea in principle,” says Klaus Hornberger at the University of Duisburg-Essen in Germany. But he points out that other problems need to be tackled before this approach can be a serious contender for unifying all the fundamental forces underpinning the laws of physics on scales large and small. For example, Tilloy’s model can be used to get gravity as described by Newton’s theory, but the maths still has to be worked out to see if it is effective in describing gravity as governed by Einstein’s general relativity.
"Tilloy agrees. “This is very hard to generalise to relativistic settings,” he says. He also cautions that no one knows which of the many tweaks to quantum mechanics is the correct one.
Nonetheless, his model makes predictions that can be tested. For example, it predicts that gravity will behave differently at the scale of atoms from how it does on larger scales.
Should those tests find that Tilloy’s model reflects reality and gravity does indeed originate from collapsing quantum fluctuations, it would be a big clue that the path to a theory of everything would involve semiclassical gravity."
Comment: This means we still have to find gravitons, as the necessary quanta.
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- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-21, 15:12
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-21, 23:30
- Cosmology: fine tuning revisited - David Turell, 2017-11-21, 00:29
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-21, 23:30
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-21, 15:12
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-20, 18:15
- Cosmology: our galaxy is an oddball -
David Turell,
2017-10-19, 19:43
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
John Kalber,
2018-06-04, 00:05
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2018-06-04, 13:27
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved - David Turell, 2018-06-04, 14:17
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved - David Turell, 2018-06-04, 14:02
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2018-06-04, 13:27
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-19, 17:57
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-19, 12:53
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-18, 15:17
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
dhw,
2017-10-17, 19:02
- Cosmology: how the universe evolved -
David Turell,
2017-10-16, 20:14
- Cosmology: another predicted particle found -
David Turell,
2017-10-04, 22:59
- Cosmology: another type of quantum gravity -
David Turell,
2017-09-21, 18:56
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness per Peter Woit -
David Turell,
2018-01-27, 18:50
- Cosmology: lots of planets out there. - David Turell, 2018-01-28, 22:23
- Cosmology: what the CMB reveals -
David Turell,
2020-01-28, 18:46
- Cosmology: quark gluon plasma - David Turell, 2020-02-01, 21:21
- Cosmology: gravity still unexplained -
David Turell,
2020-06-15, 19:42
- Cosmology: age of universe confirmed again -
David Turell,
2020-07-19, 22:49
- Cosmology: Milky Way North and South giant bubbles -
David Turell,
2021-01-06, 23:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way has a churning dangerous core -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 04:23
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-18, 04:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-19, 15:00
- Cosmology: Milky Way's violent history - David Turell, 2023-09-28, 23:26
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-19, 15:00
- Cosmology: Milky Way still growing -
David Turell,
2022-02-18, 04:41
- Cosmology: Milky Way has a churning dangerous core -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 04:23
- Cosmology: Milky Way North and South giant bubbles -
David Turell,
2021-01-06, 23:41
- Cosmology: age of universe confirmed again -
David Turell,
2020-07-19, 22:49
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness -
dhw,
2017-08-23, 11:06
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-07-07, 22:08
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-08-28, 19:30
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-01-11, 21:15
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-04-04, 17:13
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2023-07-13, 17:05
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2024-02-19, 19:00
- Cosmology: snowball Earth from methane drop -
David Turell,
2024-04-06, 17:27
- Cosmology: snowball Earth's last disappearance - David Turell, 2024-09-19, 19:08
- Cosmology: snowball Earth from methane drop -
David Turell,
2024-04-06, 17:27
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2024-02-19, 19:00
- Cosmology: snowball Earth possible cause -
David Turell,
2023-07-13, 17:05
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-04-04, 17:13
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2023-01-11, 21:15
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2021-08-28, 19:30
- Cosmology: multiverse craziness -
David Turell,
2017-08-23, 00:53
- Cosmology: snowball Earth advanced life -
David Turell,
2017-08-17, 17:42
- Cosmology: universe not lumpy; another take -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 19:52
- Cosmology: universe not lumpy -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 19:03
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:52
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-08, 01:08
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-06, 17:37
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
BBella,
2017-08-05, 23:29
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
John Kalber,
2017-08-05, 22:35
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-30, 11:07
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2017-07-27, 15:15
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-27, 10:59
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
dhw,
2017-07-18, 09:29
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2017-07-17, 21:56
- Cosmology: Is a unified theory coming soon? -
David Turell,
2010-11-05, 02:53
- Cosmology: Latest theories of everything -
David Turell,
2010-11-02, 23:54
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
David Turell,
2017-07-20, 18:51
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-08-04, 05:41
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino - David Turell, 2017-08-04, 15:41
- Cosmology: the mysterious neutrino -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-08-04, 05:41