Back to theodicy and David's theories (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Sunday, May 23, 2021, 13:27 (63 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: First dodge: Your theory is not “history”, so please stop pretending that it is.

DAVID: My theory is based on belief in God creating our reality.

It is based on your belief in your interpretation of your God’s one and only purpose – to design humans – and your interpretation of his method of achieving that purpose, which entailed designing thousands of species “de novo” plus all their food supplies, 99% of which had no connection with humans. This is not “history”, and it is illogical. Every alternative theory I have offered you allows for belief in your God “creating our reality”. and you have accepted that they are all logical. That doesn’t mean either of us has to believe any of them – they are only theories – but at least you agree that unlike your own, they provide logical theistic explanations of the history we know. Please stop dodging.

dhw: Second dodge: […] I keep repeating that evolution is a continuum from the first cells, but the bush of life has diversified into thousands and thousands of different branches or lines, only one of which has led to humans. You agree: “Of course one line becomes humans”.

DAVID: You keep ignoring the necessary provision for a giant food supply for a giant human population, until I remind you.

I keep reminding you that the giant food supply for a giant human population has no connection with the food supplies for the life forms you think your God designed before humans arrived on the scene, 99% of which had no connection with humans and their food supply: “The current bush is for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms.” And: “Extinct life has no role in current time.” Please stop dodging.

dhw: This is irrelevant to the question of why your God would have specially designed every species that has ever existed in order to specially design humans and our food supply. You don’t know why he would have chosen this method of designing humans, but you have a fixed belief that this is what he wanted and did. Why do you continue to pretend it is logical while at the same time admitting that you can’t explain it logically? I suggest we leave it at that.

DAVID: Stop distorting my position as stated in the bold. I simply accept God's choice of method in creating us and admit I cannot know why God chose the method.

For the umpteenth time, none of us know anything beyond the fact that there have been countless life forms and their food supplies, econiches, lifestyles, strategies, natural wonders etc. in the course of life’s history prior to ourselves. According to you, your God’s “method of creating” ALL of these, including ourselves, was to design them individually. As above, you cannot say this was his choice. It is your interpretation of his choice both of goal (us) and method, and the fact that you cannot find a logical reason why he would have made such a choice suggests that your interpretation could be wrong. And so instead of saying you accept his choice, why not just say that your illogical interpretation of his choice is fixed and you do not intend to consider any alternatives, even if you agree that they are logical.

Under: “Introducing the brain
DAVID: My declaration as to what I believe is arrived upon by my logic and reading expert thought as a basis.

dhw: So your logic tells you that your God designed every life form “de novo”, 99% of them had no connection with humans, but humans were his only goal and this was his way of designing them. I wonder how many “experts” agree with you.

DAVID: Are you telling me you don't accept anything unless nameless experts agree with you? Sad.

You wrote that your belief in your theory of evolution is based on your logic (but you can’t find any logical reason for it) and on “reading expert thought”. That is why I wondered if any experts agreed with you that your God’s method of designing the one and only life form he wanted to design (humans plus food supply) was to design million of life forms plus food supplies that had no connection with humans. Or did you mean that you had read the work of lots of experts and your belief is based on the fact that you don’t believe any of them? ;-)


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