Back to theodicy and David's theories (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 13:10 (336 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: My God designs purposely to reach His desired goals.

So does the God of my free-for-all.

DAVID: If you think He is a control freak, that is ca human concept in our society, not at the God level of proper analysis.

It is you who consider him a control freak because you insist that he would never give up control of evolution! This is YOUR view of his nature!

DAVID: You might as well stop repeating your 99% mantra, as I will always totally reject it as absolutely illogical.

What is illogical? You have agreed that 99% of extinct life forms had no connection with humans, and you have no idea why he would have designed them if his only goal was to design humans.

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DAVID: I have to return to we don't understand everything, but will find OK answers later on.

dhw: Why don’t you return to the fact that since you have no idea how your beliefs can fit in with the facts of life’s history, your beliefs might be wrong?

DAVID: My facts fit my concept of life's history. it is your use of logic that is struggling.

Then, for the thousandth time, please explain why a God whose one and only purpose was to design humans and their food supply, designed millions of life forms and their food supplies, 99% of which had no connection with humans. I quote (amongst other quotes): “extinct life has no role in current time”.

dhw: You are sure he watches his creations (including humans) with interest (“entertain” is your expression). How do you know that he didn’t want to create something he could watch with interest?

DAVID: Again , pure humanizing.

dhw: Please stop playing this cracked record. You have agreed that he possibly (and earlier probably) has thought patterns and emotions similar to ours.

DAVID: My current position, only as to use of logic. Remember?

February 6 or 7: “All we can be sure of is logic on his part. His thought patterns and emotions are possibly similar, but that possibility cannot be used to give Him human desires.”

It is, of course, absurd to separate “desires” (e.g. the desire to create something interesting) from human thought patterns and emotions. And why is it illogical for a Creator to want to create things that will interest him?

DAVID: Evolution connects all of us. And as usual you forget a vast bush means food for all.

dhw: Common descent connects all of “us” with bacteria, but not with every other life form that ever existed. Re food and all the unconnected species, I’ll repeat your own words, since you keep trying to forget them:
The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms” , “extinct life has no role in current time”. […] ]

DAVID: [..] you torture quotations of mine. The bold is such torture. How can extinct life have a current role? Obvious statement.

What “torture”? I’ve quoted you, and you state that what you said is obvious! So if the extinct bush with food supplies obviously has no role in current time, why do you offer the vast bush of food as a reason for your claim that every life form is/was “part of the goal of evolving humans”?


dhw: […] You have agreed that the drive for survival is and was the prime purpose of all life forms, including humans. Of course it’s not “worry” that changes brains! My proposal is that it’s the need to cope with new conditions or to implement new ideas that causes brain change.

DAVID: And it is my view God prepares living organisms for the future needs, as our brain.

And the “need” that all living organisms have in common is survival. See “pre-planning” for your preparation theory.

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