Back to theodicy and David's theories (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 14:07 (163 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I do not have a fixed belief, but offer various alternatives, all of which you have acknowledged ARE logical.

DAVID: Logical only if your humanized form of God is recognized.

And who can possibly know whether your God has thought patterns and emotions and other attributes similar to ours, and what these might be? You think he’s a control freak and a know-all with a one-track mind (single purpose: to design H. sapiens). This leads to the illogical theory below. At least my “humanized” alternatives make sense even to you, whereas you can’t find a logical pattern to explain your own “humanized” theory.

dhw: This dispute is over your own fixed belief that in order to design the only thing he wanted to design (humans and their food supply), your God designed millions of life forms, econiches, food supplies, natural wonders etc., 99% of which had no connection with humans. For reasons I cannot fathom, you keep repeating that you have no idea why your God would have “evolved” (= designed) humans in this way...

DAVID: More illogical complaint, as usual. I cannot know why god chose to evolve us.

We cannot even “know” whether God exists, but at least if we have a theory about how evolution developed, we should be able to make it logically coherent.

dhw: …and yet you still continue to insist that it is logical and I am at fault in questioning your logic! I respectfully suggest that unless you have suddenly found a logical explanation for the above theory, we agree that you will not budge from your fixed belief and so we should leave it at that.

DAVID: I won't budge. To leave it don't mention the subject again, and I won't.

It’s going to be difficult if you keep telling us that your God specially designed every extant life form, econiche, natural wonder, lifestyle etc. (See “Bats”, under “Miscellany”.) How can we separate this fixed belief of yours from the fixed belief that everything was designed as “part of the goal of evolving [= specially designing] humans”? One or the other of these fixed beliefs simply has to be modified if it is to make any sense.


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