Theoretical origin of life; criticism of the hype from Tour (Introduction)

by dhw, Monday, July 15, 2019, 10:27 (1958 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: James Tour has produced a long critical article against the hype of OOL research, and finds the research itself quite lacking. Very long essay:

https://inference-review.com/article/time-out

DAVID: A superb commentary supporting my presentations of the super-hype re OOL. Note my bold. Life is a miracle event.

Just to say thank you for this article. It really is superb, and should be recommended reading for all those whose fixed beliefs lead them to embrace chance as the creator of life.

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        Theoretical origin of life; lipid containers - David Turell, 2019-05-02, 15:10
        Theoretical origin of life; lipid containers - dhw, 2019-05-03, 12:10
        Theoretical origin of life; lipid containers - David Turell, 2019-05-03, 19:19
        Theoretical origin of life; lipid containers - dhw, 2019-05-04, 13:42
        Theoretical origin of life; lipid containers - David Turell, 2019-05-04, 18:59
        Theoretical origin of life; organic matter 3.3 byo found - David Turell, 2019-05-24, 20:25
        Theoretical origin of life; more false hope from a lab - David Turell, 2019-07-02, 00:04
        Theoretical origin of life; criticism of the usual hype - David Turell, 2019-07-04, 19:51
        Theoretical origin of life; criticism of the hype from Tour - David Turell, 2019-07-14, 19:29
        Theoretical origin of life; criticism of the hype from Tour - dhw, 2019-07-15, 10:27
        Theoretical origin of life; criticism of the hype from Tour - David Turell, 2019-07-15, 17:51
        Theoretical origin of life; earliest possible time frame - David Turell, 2019-08-12, 18:02
        Theoretical origin of life; proteins stabilize membranes - David Turell, 2019-08-14, 19:05
        Theoretical origin of life; a review of fake news - David Turell, 2019-09-02, 18:12
        Theoretical origin of life; another article example - David Turell, 2019-09-03, 20:42
        Theoretical origin of life; a mix of molecules - David Turell, 2019-09-18, 19:36
        
        Theoretical origin of life; stromatolites were live organism - David Turell, 2019-09-25, 22:06
        Theoretical origin of life; another lab try - David Turell, 2019-11-04, 20:19
        Theoretical origin of life; not materially possible - David Turell, 2019-11-17, 22:49
        Theoretical origin of life; ribose found in meteorites - David Turell, 2019-11-21, 21:03
        Theoretical origin of life; phosphorus rich lakes - David Turell, 2020-01-04, 15:47
        Theoretical origin of life; flaws of RNA-World theory - David Turell, 2020-02-15, 15:09
        Theoretical origin of life; requires information - David Turell, 2020-03-08, 00:57
        Theoretical origin of life; latest lab study - David Turell, 2020-03-16, 19:28
        
        Theoretical origin of life; hunting for stromatolites - David Turell, 2020-03-30, 23:46
        Theoretical origin of life; another odds against paper - David Turell, 2020-04-28, 16:34
        Theoretical origin of life; another odds against paper - dhw, 2020-04-29, 15:34
        Theoretical origin of life; another odds against paper - David Turell, 2020-04-29, 18:19
        Theoretical origin of life;a very critical essay of research - David Turell, 2020-05-07, 01:33
        Theoretical origin of life; energy needs of first cell - David Turell, 2020-05-13, 21:33
        Theoretical origin of life; available organic molecules - David Turell, 2020-06-14, 20:07
        Theoretical origin of life;strong objection to natural start - David Turell, 2020-06-17, 19:47
        Theoretical origin of life; a combined RNA/DNA start - David Turell, 2020-06-22, 22:47
        Theoretical origin of life; another 'early' protein start - David Turell, 2020-06-23, 22:08
        Theoretical origin of life; Darwin evolution hope - David Turell, 2020-08-07, 19:47
        Theoretical origin of life; early anoxic bacteria - David Turell, 2020-08-07, 20:53
        Theoretical origin of life; early anoxic bacteria - David Turell, 2020-09-23, 01:23
        Theoretical origin of life; hostile hot springs - David Turell, 2020-09-24, 20:02
        Theoretical origin of life: computer wishful thinking - David Turell, 2020-10-01, 18:58
        Theoretical origin of life: possible early beginning - David Turell, 2020-10-12, 19:28
        Theoretical origin of life: between mica sheets - David Turell, 2020-11-04, 23:23
        Theoretical origin of life: from early polypeptides - David Turell, 2020-11-12, 23:13
        
        Theoretical origin of life;stromatolite fossil due to virus - David Turell, 2021-02-21, 22:28
        Theoretical origin of life;more attempts with lab alteration - David Turell, 2021-03-02, 19:52
        Theoretical origin of life; lightning did it - David Turell, 2021-03-16, 22:47
        
        Theoretical origin of life; new earliest? - David Turell, 2022-04-14, 19:33
        
        Theoretical origin of life; Chirality needed by nature - David Turell, 2020-05-23, 16:00
        Theoretical origin of life; amino acids from meteorites - David Turell, 2020-06-08, 19:36
        Theoretical origin of life; importance of chirality - David Turell, 2020-06-08, 19:50
        Theoretical origin of life; importance of chirality - David Turell, 2020-06-29, 19:33
        Theoretical origin of life; glycine in comets - David Turell, 2020-11-16, 19:47
        Theoretical origin of life: the latest review - David Turell, 2020-12-10, 20:38
        Theoretical origin of life: RNA world can't work - David Turell, 2021-01-02, 15:44
        Theoretical origin of life: RNA world can't work - David Turell, 2021-01-15, 21:57
        Theoretical origin of life: Where did carbon come from? - David Turell, 2021-03-07, 01:33
        Theoretical origin of life: RNA lab manufactured - David Turell, 2021-03-18, 20:49
        Theoretical origin of life: lab manufactured nonsense - David Turell, 2021-03-20, 21:40
        Theoretical origin of life: simple organic molecules in rock - David Turell, 2021-03-31, 21:13
        Theoretical origin of life: constant hopeful articles - David Turell, 2021-05-10, 21:00
        Theoretical origin of life: chaperones required - David Turell, 2021-05-31, 15:36
        Theoretical origin of life: basic physicochemical restraints - David Turell, 2021-06-07, 17:54
        
        Theoretical origin of life: early living filament fossils - David Turell, 2021-07-16, 21:42
        Theoretical origin of life: early living filament fossils - David Turell, 2021-07-26, 19:54
        Theoretical origin of life: excerpt from Neil Thomas book - David Turell, 2021-08-19, 00:26
        Theoretical origin of life: excerpt from Neil Thomas book - dhw, 2021-08-19, 11:57
        Theoretical origin of life: excerpt from Neil Thomas book - David Turell, 2021-08-19, 15:39
        Theoretical origin of life: pure chemicals cheat - David Turell, 2021-08-21, 15:32
        Theoretical origin of life: basalt glass fantasy - David Turell, 2021-09-04, 17:38
        Theoretical origin of life: made in a lab, impossible - David Turell, 2021-11-16, 14:56
        Theoretical origin of life: Miller-Urey all wrong - David Turell, 2021-11-23, 18:09
        Theoretical origin of life: a woolly math approach - David Turell, 2021-11-24, 19:55
        Theoretical origin of life: hydrogen energy - David Turell, 2021-12-15, 19:25
        Theoretical origin of life: identifying basic proteins - David Turell, 2022-01-17, 19:40
        Theoretical origin of life: started with hydrogen cyanide - David Turell, 2022-02-01, 19:10
        Theoretical origin of life: simple peptides are out there - David Turell, 2022-03-08, 22:52
        Theoretical origin of life: more hype for lab coaxed RNA - David Turell, 2022-03-18, 19:38
        Theoretical origin of life: deep underground - David Turell, 2022-04-14, 22:33
        Theoretical origin of life: no God involved - David Turell, 2022-04-16, 20:06
        Theoretical origin of life:all DNA bases found in meteorites - David Turell, 2022-04-26, 18:04
        Theoretical origin of life: abiotic is impossible - David Turell, 2022-05-30, 15:48
        Theoretical origin of life: basaltic glass to the fore - David Turell, 2022-06-10, 15:52
        Theoretical origin of life: available amino acids - David Turell, 2022-06-25, 17:20
        Theoretical origin of life: Asgard archaea and viruses - David Turell, 2022-06-27, 19:40
        Theoretical origin of life: deep Earth early oxygen supply - David Turell, 2022-08-08, 18:55
        Theoretical origin of life: deep ocean vents extremophiles - David Turell, 2022-08-25, 23:49
        Theoretical origin of life: needed chemicals rare - David Turell, 2022-09-03, 19:53
        Theoretical origin of life: more lab designs for RNA - David Turell, 2022-09-14, 21:58
        Theoretical origin of life: in droplets of water - David Turell, 2022-10-03, 23:49
        Theoretical origin of life: from meteorites - David Turell, 2022-12-08, 16:03
        Theoretical origin of life: wet/dry polymerization - David Turell, 2022-12-26, 15:15
        Theoretical origin of life: terrible chemistry presented - David Turell, 2023-01-15, 21:54
        Theoretical origin of life: organic chemicals in space - David Turell, 2023-01-28, 19:13
        Theoretical origin of life: more lab designed work - David Turell, 2023-02-10, 19:12
        Theoretical origin of life: a plea or less guesswork - David Turell, 2023-02-11, 20:25
        Theoretical origin of life: a very different approach - David Turell, 2023-03-06, 15:00
        Theoretical origin of life: a very different approach - David Turell, 2023-03-06, 16:02
        Theoretical origin of life: a very different approach - David Turell, 2023-03-10, 19:37
        Theoretical origin of life: parts of DNA in outer space - David Turell, 2023-03-21, 16:53
        Theoretical origin of life: the need for nitrogen - David Turell, 2023-05-10, 17:29
        Theoretical origin of life: a study of chirality - David Turell, 2023-05-28, 20:04
        Theoretical origin of life: a study of chirality - David Turell, 2023-06-14, 22:47
        Theoretical origin of life: a need for new information - David Turell, 2023-06-23, 19:22
        Theoretical origin of life: meteorites have all five bases - David Turell, 2023-07-30, 15:27
        Theoretical origin of life: homochirality huge problem - David Turell, 2023-08-10, 16:12
        Theoretical origin of life: age of LUCA - David Turell, 2023-11-22, 19:25
        Theoretical origin of life: UV light - David Turell, 2023-12-12, 18:15
        Theoretical origin of life: just one step!!! - David Turell, 2024-01-26, 01:13
        Theoretical origin of life: finding early phosphorus - David Turell, 2024-02-03, 17:28
        Theoretical origin of life: finding early nitrogen - David Turell, 2024-02-11, 16:00
        Theoretical origin of life: panspermia again - David Turell, 2024-02-18, 18:59
        Theoretical origin of life: newest Darwinist critique - David Turell, 2024-02-29, 21:20
        Theoretical origin of life: problem of chirality solved? - David Turell, 2024-03-01, 16:13
        Theoretical origin of life: cosmic dust delivered proteins - David Turell, 2024-03-02, 15:53
        Theoretical origin of life: more hype about protolife cells - David Turell, 2024-03-03, 19:05
        Theoretical origin of life: molecules cooked in rock fissure - David Turell, 2024-04-03, 19:17
        Theoretical origin of life: need for repair - David Turell, 2024-06-27, 20:04
        Theoretical origin of life: earliest 'L' forms - David Turell, 2024-07-30, 18:10
        Theoretical origin of life: early complex fossils - David Turell, 2024-07-31, 17:56
        Theoretical origin of life: instability of first molecules - David Turell, 2024-08-04, 18:41
        Theoretical origin of life: LUCA calculated - David Turell, 2024-08-08, 17:04
        Theoretical origin of life: protecting RNA - David Turell, 2024-08-19, 23:35
        Theoretical origin of life: a complex computation? - David Turell, 2024-09-17, 19:32
        Theoretical origin of life: a 'what if' study - David Turell, 2024-10-01, 23:17
        Theoretical origin of life: ocean vents a source of life? - David Turell, 2024-10-03, 23:25
        Theoretical origin of life: more fun in the lab - David Turell, 2024-10-13, 17:41
        
        Theoretical origin of life: deep ocean vents extremophiles - David Turell, 2024-10-24, 02:14
        Theoretical origin of life:simple carbon compounds in space - David Turell, 2024-10-25, 19:06
        Theoretical origin of life: making cell walls with lipids - David Turell, 2024-11-01, 20:15
        Theoretical origin of life: space is filled with organics - David Turell, 2024-11-13, 18:07
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