Theoretical origin of life; making catalysts (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, June 22, 2015, 14:17 (3442 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Why is mindless energy magic, but conscious energy reasonable and logical? We do not know the origin of consciousness/minds, but you insist that consciousness (earthly) can only be the result of deliberate invention, and so it is hardly logical to claim that consciousness (heavenly) does not require invention and has simply always existed.-You believe in cause and effect and that something cannot come from nothing. Therefore something always existed. And I firmly believe it required a planning 'mind' not amorphous energy to evolve what we have in our reality.
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> DAVID: 3) is quite a stretch, and again begs the question where did innate [inanimate?] matter come from, since you admit something cannot come from nothing?
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> dhw: If you can believe in a non-invented form of consciousness (1), you can believe that consciousness evolved naturally without deliberate invention (2 or 3), which also fits everything we know about our reality, and does not require any other form of reality. Alternatively, like me, you can opt not to believe in any of these hypotheses.-Please do not tell me what I can believe. In my view parts of our reality require invention.