Theoretical origin of life; making catalysts (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, June 21, 2015, 14:59 (3443 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: We began this discussion with my objection to the vague term “information”, but since you insist on using it, I can only repeat that the same information is present, whether the molecules were assembled by God or by chance. I agree that it cannot come from nothing.-Thank you. There has to be a source for the information.-> dhw: The alternative sources appear to be: 1) a sourceless mind, which acquired all the “information” from nowhere except itself, and consciously created and combined the molecules out of its non-molecular eternal energy; 2) mindless eternal energy, which has been creating molecules for ever and ever, and eventually chanced to hit upon a life-giving combination; 3) ever-changing inanimate matter, which has - or developed - a mental aspect that enabled it to experiment and eventually find a way of reproducing itself and evolving. I find all three answers impossible to believe, which is why I remain agnostic.-An excellent list. I find 1) reasonable and logical; 2) this admits to eternal energy which is magically present from the beginning, but you have decided to make it mindless. Why not allow it to have a mind? That logically fits everything we know about our reality. 3) is quite a stretch, and again begs the question where did innate matter come from, since you admit something cannot come from nothing?