Clever Corvids: using tools (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, September 06, 2015, 18:24 (3148 days ago) @ dhw


> DAVID: Your statement is one of the probabilities, which in my view we have been discussing, under the subject of 'inventive mechanism'. I have said: 'semi-autonomous'.
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> dhw: Throughout this discussion I have asked only that you consider it possible that innovations are not preprogrammed/dabbled but are created by the independent intelligence of cell communities. If you now consider it to be one of the “probabilities”, I can hardly ask for more. Thank you.-I don't know where you've been, but this has always been my position. Invention under limits or guidelines.
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> dhw: These researchers' equation of cellular behaviour with animal behaviour confirms the findings of Shapiro and Co that cells, just like ourselves and our fellow animals, process and share information, communicate it to one another, and cooperate in order to take decisions and solve problems. The chemical signals are the equivalent of the chemical processes without which we ourselves cannot perform all the activities that precede and accompany the transformation of thought into action. In other words, the chemical signals do not explain how we or they arrive at our decisions. Could it be that since you gave your lecture, science has discovered more than just the chemical signals?-No. Once again many cellular responses are almost instantaneous and automatic based on receipt of chemical signals. You are over-interpreting in order to support your hypothesis of what is literally pan-psychism.