Clever Corvids: using tools (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, September 05, 2015, 19:04 (3367 days ago) @ dhw

dhw:What do you mean by “innovative freedom”? Are you now saying that innovations are NOT preprogrammed/dabbled but are created by the independent intelligence of cell communities, and allowed to survive if God approves? -Your statement is one of the probabilities, which in my view we have been discussing, under the subject of 'inventive mechanism'. I have said: 'semi-autonomous'. -
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> http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/43917/title/Neutrophils-Lead--T-C... 
> QUOTE: "For Kim, the phenomenon he and his colleagues have uncovered highlights the extent of collective behavior and shared information from animal species to the level of the cell. This is individual cells sharing their experience and information to perform a team function,” he said." (David's bold)-> 
> DAVID: I don't see how you can draw such conclusions about the inflammatory cells. Of course they are acting on built-in instructions..... If I had to present your concept of what I presented in the above article I would have been laughed out of the class.
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> dhw: If what Kim and his colleagues uncovered is the conventional concept of automatic behaviour, why are they making a fuss about their discovery? Please explain what you think they mean by this phenomenon highlighting “the extent of collective behavior and shared information from animal species to the level of the cell.”..... What, then, do you think Kim and his colleagues are trying to draw our attention to by equating cell behaviour with that of the animal kingdom?-They have identified the chemical signals that run this process. In my lecture I described what happened, but didn't know the mechanism of control. that is what the article is presenting.
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> DAVID: We come from bacteria by evolution, and cell processes were set way back then, and simply modified for multicellularity by specialization. That is evolutionary continuity.
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> dhw: I don't know what you mean by “simply modified for multicellularity by specialization”.-As evolution progressed you know that cells were modified for specific actions by the various organ systems that developed. (Humans have 11.) The Cambrian folks were similar which is so surprising about the rapid development from the Ediacaran which perhaps had two-three cell types, not organ systems. -> dhw: Either God preprogrammed/dabbled evolutionary innovations (plus complex nests and lifestyles) or he didn't. Which is it?-I've told you I don't know, but God guided it.