Clever Corvids: using tools (Introduction)

by dhw, Sunday, September 06, 2015, 15:31 (3154 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Organisms have much innovative freedom as long as they fit God's desires.

dhw: What do you mean by “innovative freedom”? Are you now saying that innovations are NOT preprogrammed/dabbled but are created by the independent intelligence of cell communities, and allowed to survive if God approves? -DAVID: Your statement is one of the probabilities, which in my view we have been discussing, under the subject of 'inventive mechanism'. I have said: 'semi-autonomous'.-This is excellent news. Throughout this discussion I have asked only that you consider it possible that innovations are not preprogrammed/dabbled but are created by the independent intelligence of cell communities. If you now consider it to be one of the “probabilities”, I can hardly ask for more. Thank you.-dhw: If what Kim and his colleagues uncovered is the conventional concept of automatic behaviour, why are they making a fuss about their discovery? Please explain what you think they mean by this phenomenon highlighting “the extent of collective behavior and shared information from animal species to the level of the cell.”..... What, then, do you think Kim and his colleagues are trying to draw our attention to by equating cell behaviour with that of the animal kingdom?-DAVID: They have identified the chemical signals that run this process. In my lecture I described what happened, but didn't know the mechanism of control. that is what the article is presenting.-These researchers' equation of cellular behaviour with animal behaviour confirms the findings of Shapiro and Co that cells, just like ourselves and our fellow animals, process and share information, communicate it to one another, and cooperate in order to take decisions and solve problems. The chemical signals are the equivalent of the chemical processes without which we ourselves cannot perform all the activities that precede and accompany the transformation of thought into action. In other words, the chemical signals do not explain how we or they arrive at our decisions. Could it be that since you gave your lecture, science has discovered more than just the chemical signals?