Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, June 15, 2013, 15:21 (4180 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: What exactly do you mean by "quantum reality"? Is there any consensus even among quantum theorists on what it means? Do you yourself believe that the reality you perceive does not exist if you are not there to perceive it? That cause and effect are an illusion? That everyday objects are not real? -Quantum math allows the use of probabilities to create electronic devices we use. Yet we cannot ever know whether the individual particle is a wave or a point of energy. When an experiment is done the result can only give an answer sought, not the complete picture. Thus the results have to factor in conscious intent because only what is looked for is found. Do I believe that reality would disappear if all human consciousness disappeared? No. One simply takes my next step. Consciousness pre-existed reality and exists first.-> 
> dhw:Do you mean that all quantum theorists accept the same definition of reality, and they have all concluded that it was created by a quantum mind, i.e. that consciousness preceded the material world? -The theorists I follow believe as I do. Obviously they tend to be theistic.-
> dhw:Of course this proves absolutely nothing. I am merely questioning the meaning and accuracy of your statements.-My statements about quantum theory are correct. My statements of my conclusions are the correct conclusions for me. Consciousness is mixed up in quantum reality, the level underlying our perceived reality.