Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism (Introduction)
> dhw: I was commenting on your statement that "God wants us to have freedom of choice and to learn from the mistakes that we make. God is a God of tough love, the only kind of approach that reaches a mature morality." What on Earth has that got to do with Darwin? What have you studied that gives you the authority to make such a statement about God's wishes and God's kind of love?-Darwin jumped to conclusions that have not been born out. His friend Wallace reached exactly the opposite conclusions from the same data. My study of the science leads me to my conclusions about God. I have as much authority as DArwin had.-> David: the purpose is to show the audience here how science can lead one to easily presume there is a greater power running the show.[/i] > > dhw: I hope you do not misunderstand the nature of our discussions. I greatly appreciate the science you present here, and I also accept that science "can lead one to easily presume there is a greater power running the show." But you yourself have always acknowledged that science cannot answer any of the fundamental questions about the origin of life and consciousness ... let alone about the supposed consciousness, nature, purposes, creative techniques of first-cause energy ... and so if an "educated kind of guessing" is to turn into belief, you have to take a leap of FAITH. -I have never claimed that science has all the answers, especially to the areas you mention. At some point Darwin took his defective leap of faith about an evolutionary mechanism. Theories are theories, and laws are accepted truths about how nature works. God is not subject to laws, but considering Him allows theories, based on science. Faith is always a leap.
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David Turell,
2013-05-21, 01:17
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dhw,
2013-05-22, 16:39
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David Turell,
2013-05-22, 16:56
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dhw,
2013-05-23, 12:11
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David Turell,
2013-05-23, 15:00
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BBella,
2013-05-23, 18:48
- Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism - David Turell, 2013-05-23, 20:27
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dhw,
2013-05-24, 09:56
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2013-05-24, 15:11
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dhw,
2013-05-25, 11:45
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David Turell,
2013-05-28, 03:07
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2013-05-28, 15:54
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dhw,
2013-05-29, 13:02
- Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism - David Turell, 2013-05-29, 14:19
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dhw,
2013-05-29, 13:02
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dhw,
2013-05-29, 12:58
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2013-05-29, 14:10
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dhw,
2013-05-30, 09:28
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David Turell,
2013-05-30, 15:45
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dhw,
2013-05-31, 17:07
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2013-05-31, 17:32
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dhw,
2013-06-01, 12:00
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David Turell,
2013-06-01, 15:05
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dhw,
2013-06-02, 12:09
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David Turell,
2013-06-02, 15:37
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dhw,
2013-06-03, 16:17
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David Turell,
2013-06-03, 20:20
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dhw,
2013-06-04, 20:08
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David Turell,
2013-06-04, 20:52
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dhw,
2013-06-05, 17:26
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2013-06-05, 18:39
- Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism - dhw, 2013-06-06, 20:02
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David Turell,
2013-06-07, 15:34
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dhw,
2013-06-08, 15:02
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BBella,
2013-06-08, 20:39
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David Turell,
2013-06-08, 23:29
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dhw,
2013-06-09, 14:45
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2013-06-09, 22:11
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dhw,
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- Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism - David Turell, 2013-06-10, 19:43
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dhw,
2013-06-10, 18:15
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David Turell,
2013-06-09, 22:11
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BBella,
2013-06-10, 22:29
- Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism - David Turell, 2013-06-10, 23:22
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dhw,
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2013-06-08, 23:29
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2013-06-09, 00:07
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2013-06-11, 02:57
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dhw,
2013-06-12, 12:52
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dhw,
2013-06-13, 17:42
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2013-06-14, 15:47
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BBella,
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dhw,
2013-06-16, 20:37
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dhw,
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dhw,
2013-06-17, 17:38
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David Turell,
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2013-06-16, 20:37
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BBella,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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Balance_Maintained,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
2013-06-10, 19:48
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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2013-05-31, 17:32
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dhw,
2013-05-31, 17:07
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David Turell,
2013-05-30, 15:45
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dhw,
2013-05-30, 09:28
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David Turell,
2013-05-29, 14:10
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David Turell,
2013-05-28, 15:54
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David Turell,
2013-05-28, 03:07
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