Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, June 08, 2013, 23:29 (4186 days ago) @ BBella


> bbella: I agree that energy takes many forms, but wonder about consciousness role in that undertaking. In a way, getting down to the nitty-gritty (as is said in these parts), I'm thinking consciousness is not energy but inhabits energy. 
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> bbella: Maybe what David is referencing as God is just simply consciousness, that which permeates all that is, yet is not all that is, itself. In the sense, that consciousness, itself, cannot deliberately move energy, but can influence energy. -What dhw and I have generally agreed upon is that chance is not the answer to what has appeared or been created. Also he agrees with me there has to be something from the very beginning. It is not logical to get what we see from a true nothing, nothingness in an absolute sense. What I propose is that consciousness had to exist from the beginning but also that recognizing the basis of all creation is energy, matter being a form of energy in a more solid state, that in the begining there had to be energy. So in my way of looking at it, conscious energy is the start of everything. It is eternal. It is what religions refer to as God. Free-floating conciousness without energy doesn't seem possible to me. What dhw will not do is accept the idea that my conscious energy is purposeful in and of itself.