Theistic evolution vs. Darwinism (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, May 31, 2013, 17:32 (3983 days ago) @ dhw

dhw:Has Penrose calculated the odds against eternal energy being or becoming conscious of itself? And are they reckoned to be any different from the odds against energy becoming conscious of the changes taking place in the matter within which it is embedded?-You cannot calculate the odds of the nebulous. We know the initial conditions of the universe and its current parameters. Penrose used known accepted physics, not the ruminations of a bone fide agnostic. Since we have no idea how life got started, or how consciousness arises, calculating the odds for consciousness are impossible.
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> dhw:there is NO theory that doesn't ultimately depend 100% on FAITH.-Yes, agreed.
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> As I have stressed repeatedly, I do not have faith in it [his panpsychism theory]. I merely offer it as an alternative form of design which I regard as no more improbable but considerably less convoluted than a quantum state of energy that creates planned and rule-following chaos, may or may not be alive in any sense we know, and is everywhere within and without the universe, but not at any level of reality we can reach.-Fair enough.