Balance of nature: human and theological implications (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, January 23, 2025, 18:57 (7 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Where logging companies work in North America, they replant.

dhw: So do you condemn them for panicking, or could it be that they have realized what you do not realize? That everyone should be doing the same thing! But you will be happy to watch the Amazon Rain Forest shrink and shrink.

Only the Brazilians can take action!!! While you panic.

DAVID: ... for you the apocalypse is tomorrow.

dhw: Nobody has said it is tomorrow, but we know the dangers now, and as with the forests, we should try to eliminate those dangers as quickly as possible.

DAVID: The current speed of research may be enough for the recognized problems.

dhw: The principle is the same: If something is harmful, remove it as quickly as possible. Do you think your NA loggers are in the wrong?

They are replanting! What is your problem??

Theology

DAVID: I can only accept what God does.

dhw: Stop kidding yourself: you only accept your theory that your God messily, cumbersomely and inefficiently designed and culled 99 out of 100 species that had no connection with his sole purpose (us plus food).

That is the theology I accept.

God and evolution: weaverbirds

dhw: And according to you all extinct, pre-human ecosystems also existed to support humans and their needs, even though we weren't around at the time.: […] Do you yourself feel a need for weaverbirds’ nests?

DAVID: That area of the Earth does.

dhw; And God said: “I’m gonna give all birds the brains to design their own nests, but there’s places in Africa where humans need knotty nests that nobody but me can build. An’ if I don’t build ‘em, them thar humans ain’t gonna survive.” I don’t buy it.

I do, but not your inventive distortion.

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DAVID: Introducing Willis Eschenbach:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/01/22/greenhouse-efficiency-2/

QUOTE: "Abstract: Using the CERES satellite data, it is shown that over the last ~ quarter century, the increase in greenhouse gases has had no detectable effect on the global average surface temperature. On the contrary, the overall increase in available solar energy after albedo reflections is shown to be sufficient to explain the warming…” etc.

DAVID: I've followed him for years on this site. He was a Pacific Islands sea captain. He follows the same line of thinking as Willie Soon, a climatologist.

dhw: This is getting silly. Log onto the Internet, and you will find countless entries like the following:

Causes and Effects of Climate Change
Welcome to the United Nations
https://www.un.org › climatechange › science › causes-ef..

Causes and Effects of Climate Change

"Fossil fuels – coal, oil and gas – are by far the largest contributor to global climate change, accounting for over 75 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions and nearly 90 per cent of all carbon dioxide emissions.
As greenhouse gas emissions blanket the Earth, they trap the sun’s heat. This leads to global warming and climate change. The world is now warming faster than at any point in recorded history. Warmer temperatures over time are changing weather patterns and disrupting the usual balance of nature. This poses many risks to human beings and all other forms of life on Earth."

Do you really believe that the UN scientists are a bunch of idiots or panicking propagandists, whereas your retired sea captain and your climatologist are the only honest citizens in possession of the truth? Once again: NOBODY knows for sure just how much damage will be caused in the future, but we do know that Fossil fuels, deforestation, methods of transport and agriculture are already damaging the environment. That should be enough to foster “as quickly as possible” rather than “as slowly as we like”.

You pick your experts, I have mine. The UN has become a cesspool of third world countries trying to make the UN into a source of endless money. Like the previous League it is a monstrous stretch of leftist idealism that doesn't work.