Human evolution: we are entirely improbable (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 15:33 (1396 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: I am happy to agree with you and Hoyle that chance is illogical. Now look at your explanation: only a living, conscious mind can design life and consciousness, and therefore our life and consciousness were designed by a living, conscious mind which was not designed by anything at all. Logical? […]

DAVID: Neither you nor I have any logical absolute proof. That is why some of us jump Pascal's chasm and some of us don't. To me the evidence is overwhelming, but for you it isn't. As two different humans with two different background we come to different conclusions. That is certainly reasonable and logical.

Not quite. I do not come to one definite conclusion, whereas you do. This applies both to first cause and to theories of evolution. You claim that you have evidence “beyond a reasonable doubt” for your theories and dismiss any alternatives, but you do not or cannot provide any logical answers to my questions. That is why you have now dodged the bolded objection to your God theory at the start of this post!

Reproduced here: "only a living, conscious mind can design life and consciousness, and therefore our life and consciousness were designed by a living, conscious mind which was not designed by anything at all. Logical?" Of course logical. Design requires a designer and without a first cause there is nothing. Logical?


DAVID: Ultimately despite years of debate we can not change each other. But I'll continue looking in the internet for new news to present as I have overwhelmed you with unexplained design in biological beings. I have an explanation that satisfies me. I'm sorry you are not satisfied.

dhw: I am as always hugely grateful for the news you offer us, without which this website would certainly have to close down. And I have no problem with the fact that your faith satisfies you. But I shall continue to probe your arguments if I find them illogical, and I shall continue to offer alternatives if I think they are logical. Such discussions are the purpose of any forum, as I’m sure you’ll agree.

Yes, new news of science discoveries will continue as long I can and fuel our discussions


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