Human evolution; savannah theory fading (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, August 27, 2022, 16:16 (607 days ago) @ dhw

Brain expansion

DAVID: God chose to evolve us in itsy-bitsy stages is a perfect logical conclusion, but He never revealed why He chose that methodology.

dhw: It is a fact that we evolved in itsy-bitsy stages. It is not a fact that we (plus our food) were your God's one and only purpose, and it is not perfectly logical that an all-powerful God with one purpose in mind should first design countless life forms that had nothing to do with his purpose, or that he should have “chosen” to evolve us in stages although, according to you, he had the power to design life forms with no precursors. He has never revealed his choice of purpose or method to anyone – even if he exists – and since you can’t explain your theory about his purpose and method, you can hardly call it “perfectly logical”.

The 'countless life forms' created the disappearing food web discussed in the other thread.

DAVID: You are again trying to humanize my God to protect your form of god.

dhw: “Protect”? The experimenting alternative offers you a logical explanation for YOUR theory which otherwise doesn’t make sense to you!'

DAVID: It all makes perfect sense from the way I view God, and you don't.

dhw: The way you view God is that he had one purpose, and you have no idea why he chose to fulfil his purpose in the manner you propose. Your proposal “makes sense only to God”, and yet you insist that it makes sense to you. Are you God?

I'm not God but my God makes perfect sense to me.

dhw: I suggest that he designed what he wanted to design, and that he actually wished for all those countless forms and foods and stages, as life unfolded its ever-changing variety. What better way than to give the original life forms their own means of designing?

DAVID: Answered above.

dhw: Again with your “secondhand” objection. […]

DAVID: Secondhand design is a cumbersome mess, that you don't seem to understand. You've never tried it and I have with firsthand experience.

dhw: Please stop comparing yourself to God.

DAVID: I'm not comparing to God. I am discussing how designing works from my design background, and you know it!!! Stop distorting!!!

dhw: You are comparing your method of design to God’s, and it is a total mismatch. You have one plan, and you implement it directly. Then you say that is the efficient way to do it, and so he would not have “delegated” design to other minds (intelligent cells). But although you say that like you, your God had one plan, he did NOT implement it directly! He designed countless life forms that had no connection with his “plan”, and he did not even design his “endpoint” (sapiens) directly, but did countless twiddles before finally getting rid of all the irrelevant twiddles and hominins and homos that were not sapiens. It is all the diversions from your proposed “plan” that (a) you cannot explain, and (b) suggest he is not a Turell, and (c) are logically explained by my alternative theories.

God's creation pattern is to evolve all forms stepwise: the universe from the BB, the
Earth from its origin, life from its start to final sapiens from Erectus, etc. It is perfectly obvious pattern. Your point now bolded is refuted by the studies I have quoted.