Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 (Agnosticism)

by David Turell , Tuesday, May 28, 2024, 23:34 (102 days ago) @ xeno6696

MATT (to me): You in particular define a 'self' that is sometimes conscious of itself, and sometimes isn't, my interpretation is that the only time that you ARE "yourself" is precisely when you're conscious of it. The rest of the time, you're mentally some amorphous thing. I am puzzled by the insistence.

DAVID: vThe way I view your description, is you lose consciousness of 'self' but always return to it. So even if discontinuous, it is always available to return to it. It is never lost.

If you take your 'self' to be that bare aware "in the now" consciousness, you are correct, but dhw is taking a definition that includes more than just that. See my comment re: Phineas Gage again.

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