My Experience with Buddhism Pt 1 (Agnosticism)

by David Turell , Thursday, December 15, 2022, 16:13 (707 days ago) @ dhw

David’s response to my last post has set an alarm bell tinklimg:

DAVID: I note dhw's personal comments, noting some new facts I hadn't known.

dhw: The personal comments were meant to shed light on what I thought were some of Matt’s own preoccupations: the negative or “nihilistic” side of Buddhism, with its emphasis on repeated suffering and the nebulousness both of rebirth and of the final state when Enlightenment has been achieved, the transience of joy, and the true nature of the “self”. This latest post delves deeper into the ramifications of Matt’s sufferings, and how he has dealt with them. Enlightening in itself, but if my personal comments were irrelevant, then I’m sorry and of course they should be ignored.

Not ignored, but helpful in relating to each other.

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- Rebirth Attempt 1 - xeno6696, 2022-12-17, 22:16
  - Rebirth Attempt 1 - David Turell, 2022-12-18, 00:13
  - Rebirth Attempt 1 - dhw, 2022-12-18, 14:06
    - Rebirth Attempt 1 - David Turell, 2022-12-18, 16:18
    - Rebirth Attempt 1 - xeno6696, 2022-12-19, 20:09
      - Rebirth Attempt 1 - David Turell, 2022-12-19, 22:43
      - Errata to Attempt 1 - xeno6696, 2022-12-19, 23:57
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    - Rebirth Attempt 1 - xeno6696, 2022-12-19, 20:10
      - Rebirth Attempt 1 - David Turell, 2022-12-19, 22:52
        Rebirth Attempt 1 - xeno6696, 2022-12-19, 23:54
        Rebirth Attempt 1 - David Turell, 2022-12-20, 02:33
        Rebirth Attempt 1 - xeno6696, 2022-12-20, 15:40
        Rebirth Attempt 1 - David Turell, 2022-12-21, 00:22
      - Rebirth PART ONE - dhw, 2022-12-20, 09:04
        Rebirth PART TWO - dhw, 2022-12-20, 09:10
        Rebirth PART TWO - David Turell, 2022-12-20, 16:17
        
        Rebirth PART ONE - David Turell, 2022-12-20, 16:14
        
        Rebirth PART ONE - xeno6696, 2022-12-22, 03:59
        Rebirth PART ONE - dhw, 2022-12-22, 09:35
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        Rebirth PART ONE - David Turell, 2022-12-23, 15:58
        
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        Rebirth PART ONE - xeno6696, 2022-12-22, 23:31
        Rebirth PART ONE - David Turell, 2022-12-23, 16:01
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-10, 18:19
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - xeno6696, 2024-05-10, 20:42
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-10, 22:12
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - xeno6696, 2024-05-11, 05:40
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - dhw, 2024-05-11, 08:43
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - xeno6696, 2024-05-14, 16:01
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-15, 00:09
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        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-15, 15:40
        
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - dhw, 2024-05-15, 09:48
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-15, 16:02
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-15, 16:55
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - dhw, 2024-05-16, 11:26
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - dhw, 2024-05-16, 11:42
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        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-16, 21:34
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-16, 21:16
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - dhw, 2024-05-17, 13:58
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-17, 15:45
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        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-17, 21:36
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        Nibbana tangent part 1 - dhw, 2024-05-18, 08:53
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - dhw, 2024-05-18, 10:24
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-18, 16:23
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-18, 17:53
        
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-18, 16:48
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-18, 15:57
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-18, 16:52
        
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - dhw, 2024-05-19, 13:25
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-19, 16:24
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        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-19, 21:24
        
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        Nibbana tangent part 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-27, 17:05
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        Mat: Nibbana tangent part 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-28, 23:39
        
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-28, 22:24
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-27, 16:56
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-28, 23:25
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        Nibbana tangent part 1 - dhw, 2024-05-29, 13:14
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        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-29, 23:28
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        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-30, 06:06
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-30, 19:07
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-29, 18:15
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-29, 22:54
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-30, 00:21
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - dhw, 2024-05-30, 13:46
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        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-31, 00:43
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-30, 20:09
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-30, 23:00
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - dhw, 2024-05-31, 12:45
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        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-31, 16:44
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-06-08, 16:22
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-06-08, 16:44
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - dhw, 2024-06-09, 12:18
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-06-09, 17:16
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-28, 22:51
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-28, 23:43
        
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-26, 17:15
        
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-26, 16:41
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-28, 23:02
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-28, 23:46
        
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-23, 19:52
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-24, 02:08
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        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-23, 00:24
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        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-21, 17:17
        
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-19, 16:25
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        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-20, 18:07
        
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-19, 16:31
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-18, 16:42
        
        Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-17, 18:48
        
        A brief word on methodology. - xeno6696, 2024-05-18, 02:16
        A brief word on methodology. - David Turell, 2024-05-18, 16:03
        
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - xeno6696, 2024-05-16, 21:16
        Nibbana tangent part 1 - David Turell, 2024-05-17, 18:41
        
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-15, 16:02
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-15, 17:08
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-15, 17:53
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - David Turell, 2024-05-16, 18:13
        Nibbana tangent part 2 - xeno6696, 2024-05-16, 22:07
        
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-15, 16:46
        
        Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-11, 18:29

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