Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 (Agnosticism)
I’ll leave it there for the time being, as I am becoming more and more convinced that in terms of the development of the self (as opposed to its total disappearance) we are actually in agreement.
I think you're too hung up on the concept that Nibbana means the destruction of the self. Nibbana's best description is of an egoless person. The "self" is a concept. An idea. We invent it with our minds.This article was just published--I haven't read it yet, but after glancing over the subheadings, it explains correlations between western psychology and eastern psychology as it pertains to how we construct our 'self.'
DAVID: I must not be as critical. I feel at peace as is.
MATT: You must be dead!
dhw: Yep, that’s what I said about your Nibbana!
Matt: Some jokes are better not reborn! =-D
I've skimmed through the long article. Raised on Freudian psychotherapy and modern Westan thinking I can see an interesting advance in Eastern approaches. My own feeling: I am conscious of myself; therefore, I have a self I invent as I live. Being religious, that self is connected to my soul.
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xeno6696,
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- Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-15, 16:46
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- Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children - David Turell, 2024-05-11, 18:29
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dhw,
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- Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children -
David Turell,
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- Rebirth PART ONE: evidence in young children -
xeno6696,
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- Rebirth PART ONE -
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xeno6696,
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dhw,
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- Rebirth PART TWO -
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2022-12-19, 22:52
- In the interest of (maybe) a new discussion... -
David Turell,
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