In the interest of (maybe) a new discussion... (Agnosticism)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, December 10, 2022, 22:02 (712 days ago) @ David Turell

I'll open it up and see if I can follow it with no background. I will turn 94 in April.

Finally, back here. And his discussion presumes I know something about Buddhism. I don't so I am not following him as I listen. I need a basic education.

List out your questions here and I can expound. I found it easy to follow but then I've been doing this for awhile.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

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