Nibbana tangent parts 1 & 2 (Agnosticism)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, May 18, 2024, 16:15 (112 days ago) @ David Turell

Gods are conscious in that they have hopes and desires, as well as a mind-made body if they choose. Parinibbana is some other thing. But it's not death. People still claim that the Buddha appears to them, if you believe that (which I think we must if we accept NDEs and OBEs as real things and not hallucinations--the point of arguing for the veridical is to give evidential weight for the non-veridical as well) then Nibbana and Parinibbana simply can't mean death.

I know the consciousness I experience. It is observation and analysis from my perspective. Analysis is in my speech, English. I can't imagine it being named only 400 years ago.

John Locke invented the word. It didn't exist prior to that.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

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