Far out cosmology: More Biceps2 skepticism (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, September 27, 2014, 01:19 (3709 days ago) @ David Turell

More discussion of BICEPS2, inflation gravitational waves, multiverses, cyclical universes, and on and on, with nothing certain:-http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26272-cosmic-inflation-is-dead-long-live-cosmic-inflation.html?full=true

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        Far out cosmology: gamma ray bursts more understood - David Turell, 2021-06-30, 21:30
        Far out cosmology: imagine the Big Bang - David Turell, 2021-06-30, 23:15
        Far out cosmology: energy in this universe - David Turell, 2021-07-05, 21:01
        Far out cosmology: elements from exploding stars - David Turell, 2021-07-08, 15:00
        Far out cosmology: spacetime is flat - David Turell, 2021-07-22, 15:44
        Far out cosmology: speculations going nowhere - David Turell, 2021-07-24, 19:50
        Far out cosmology: quark gluon plasma studied - David Turell, 2021-08-10, 18:24
        Far out cosmology: another distant arm found - David Turell, 2021-08-16, 19:08
        Far out cosmology: our sun may be very different: - David Turell, 2021-09-10, 19:36
        Far out cosmology: B mode polarization in the CMB - David Turell, 2021-10-09, 23:27
        Far out cosmology: a beginning or not - David Turell, 2021-10-20, 16:09
        Far out cosmology: a beginning or not - dhw, 2021-10-21, 14:32
        Far out cosmology: a beginning or not - David Turell, 2021-10-21, 15:19
        Far out cosmology: universe smooth or not - David Turell, 2021-12-14, 19:43
        Far out cosmology: two expansion rates - David Turell, 2021-12-26, 14:37
        Far out cosmology: can't explain the Big Bang - David Turell, 2022-01-04, 20:07
        Far out cosmology: every structure spins - David Turell, 2022-01-07, 18:40
        
        Far out cosmology: early quark- gluon plasma - David Turell, 2022-01-23, 23:48
        Far out cosmology: new primordial particle spotted - David Turell, 2022-01-26, 19:06
        Far out cosmology: a new dark matter theory - David Turell, 2022-02-13, 19:57
        Far out cosmology: our sun sits in a giant bubble - David Turell, 2022-03-01, 23:22
        Far out cosmology: birth and aging of the Milky Way - David Turell, 2022-04-07, 14:34
        Far out cosmology: does time really exist? - David Turell, 2022-04-23, 00:07
        
        Far out cosmology: controlling planet position in Milky Way - David Turell, 2022-05-11, 21:21
        Far out cosmology: we've pictured our own black hole - David Turell, 2022-05-12, 15:56
        Far out cosmology: we've pictured our own black hole - David Turell, 2022-07-17, 00:31
        Far out cosmology: we've pictured our own black hole - dhw, 2022-07-17, 08:52
        Far out cosmology: we've pictured our own black hole - David Turell, 2022-07-17, 15:59
        Far out cosmology: Kuiper belt importance - David Turell, 2022-08-23, 16:57
        Far out cosmology: new view of Big Bang - David Turell, 2022-08-27, 18:45
        Far out cosmology: gravity constant the Big Bang - David Turell, 2022-08-30, 16:01
        Far out cosmology: our early galaxy formation - David Turell, 2022-09-22, 00:41
        Far out cosmology: why rigid natural laws - David Turell, 2022-09-24, 17:02
        Far out cosmology: the Milky Way is bent - David Turell, 2022-10-06, 01:10
        Far out cosmology: solar system boundary protects us - David Turell, 2022-10-11, 14:59
        Far out cosmology: Einstein right again - David Turell, 2022-10-13, 00:43
        Far out cosmology: we can stop asteroids from hitting Earth - David Turell, 2022-10-14, 02:14
        Far out cosmology: Big Bang neutrinos - David Turell, 2022-10-15, 17:53
        Far out cosmology: hunting dark matter and dark energy - David Turell, 2022-10-19, 17:30
        Far out cosmology: speed of gravity - David Turell, 2022-10-27, 23:12
        Far out cosmology: supernova effects on Earth - David Turell, 2022-10-29, 16:08
        Far out cosmology: Hubble tension and more - David Turell, 2022-10-29, 16:47
        Far out cosmology: black hole math benefits - David Turell, 2022-10-30, 16:30
        Far out cosmology: a new close asteroid - David Turell, 2022-10-31, 16:56
        
        Far out cosmology: black hole differing masses - David Turell, 2022-10-31, 17:27
        Far out cosmology: astronomy from neutrino detectors - David Turell, 2022-11-04, 20:03
        Far out cosmology: not prepared to stop an asteroid - David Turell, 2022-11-04, 21:05
        Far out cosmology: not prepared to stop an asteroid - David Turell, 2022-11-05, 17:11
        Far out cosmology: does alien life exist? - David Turell, 2022-11-05, 18:48
        Far out cosmology: strange stars at Milky center - David Turell, 2022-11-08, 22:55
        Far out cosmology: looking for gravitational wave background - David Turell, 2022-11-11, 23:16
        Far out cosmology: the great attractor - David Turell, 2022-11-12, 15:07
        Far out cosmology: coming death of the sun - David Turell, 2022-11-12, 15:41
        Far out cosmology: Einstein's relativity explained - David Turell, 2022-11-14, 16:28
        Far out cosmology: the weirdness of neutron stars - David Turell, 2022-11-16, 17:21
        Far out cosmology: Andromeda is gobbling tiny galaxies - David Turell, 2022-11-16, 20:05
        Far out cosmology: an only possible universe - David Turell, 2022-11-18, 17:13
        Far out cosmology: webb view of early universe - David Turell, 2022-11-19, 18:02
        Far out cosmology: filaments in ours and other galaxies - David Turell, 2022-11-20, 16:41
        Far out cosmology: age of universe revisited - David Turell, 2022-11-26, 18:46
        Far out cosmology: the danger of solar flairs - David Turell, 2022-12-03, 22:18
        Far out cosmology: laws of physics don't exist - David Turell, 2022-12-09, 20:50
        Far out cosmology: possible Hubble tension solution - David Turell, 2022-12-10, 03:22
        Far out cosmology: The Milk Way satellite galaxies plane - David Turell, 2022-12-19, 17:06
        Far out cosmology: dhw's imagined galaxy death - David Turell, 2022-12-24, 16:23
        Far out cosmology: four types of nothing - David Turell, 2022-12-24, 18:55
        Far out cosmology: Higgs boson protection - David Turell, 2022-12-28, 17:26
        Far out cosmology: is our solar system a freak - David Turell, 2022-12-28, 17:44
        
        Far out cosmology: we can stop asteroids from hitting Earth - David Turell, 2023-03-01, 18:12
        
        Far out cosmology: using polarization in the CMB - David Turell, 2023-03-17, 20:54
        
        Far out cosmology: how heavy elements are likely made - David Turell, 2023-01-11, 23:08
        Far out cosmology: our sun a very unusual star - David Turell, 2023-01-12, 23:39
        Far out cosmology: very early giant spirals - David Turell, 2023-01-14, 16:09
        Far out cosmology: the Milky Way neighborhood - David Turell, 2023-01-24, 15:31
        Far out cosmology: the Milky Way neighborhood - David Turell, 2023-01-28, 16:09
        Far out cosmology: finding first stars - David Turell, 2023-01-30, 19:10
        Far out cosmology: finding first stars - David Turell, 2023-01-30, 21:18
        Far out cosmology: LeMaitre on origin of universe - David Turell, 2023-02-03, 20:00
        Far out cosmology: dhw: Why so many star failures? - David Turell, 2023-02-04, 16:01
        Far out cosmology: dhw: Why so many star failures? - dhw, 2023-02-05, 11:22
        Far out cosmology: dhw: Why so many star failures? - David Turell, 2023-02-05, 18:58
        Far out cosmology: evolving a universe for life - David Turell, 2023-02-11, 19:28
        Far out cosmology: evolving a universe for life - dhw, 2023-02-12, 11:37
        Far out cosmology: evolving a universe for life - David Turell, 2023-02-12, 16:50
        Far out cosmology: what our solar system moves into - David Turell, 2023-02-16, 18:46
        Far out cosmology: four solar system types found - David Turell, 2023-02-17, 04:53
        Far out cosmology: battling commentaries - David Turell, 2023-02-23, 23:02
        Far out cosmology: spreading elements around - David Turell, 2023-02-25, 03:54
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way high star formation - David Turell, 2023-02-25, 20:58
        Far out cosmology: fine tuned solar system - David Turell, 2023-03-08, 15:22
        Far out cosmology: Shock waves rattle the cosmic wave - David Turell, 2023-03-08, 15:44
        Far out cosmology: the source of solar system water - David Turell, 2023-03-09, 00:15
        Far out cosmology: how stars manufacture elements - David Turell, 2023-03-10, 19:20
        Far out cosmology: neutrinos still confusing - David Turell, 2023-03-13, 19:06
        Far out cosmology: shadow forms in the CMB - David Turell, 2023-03-13, 19:14
        Far out cosmology: supernovas and biodiversity - David Turell, 2023-03-25, 05:06
        Far out cosmology: was there a before - David Turell, 2023-03-26, 22:14
        Far out cosmology: an edge to the universe - David Turell, 2023-04-01, 17:26
        Far out cosmology: huge universe - David Turell, 2023-04-09, 16:00
        Far out cosmology: Hubble constant research - David Turell, 2023-05-13, 18:44
        Far out cosmology: bubbles surrounding the Milky way - David Turell, 2023-05-14, 16:08
        Far out cosmology: influences of large magellanic cloud - David Turell, 2023-05-14, 22:32
        Far out cosmology: tiny physics behind big cosmic eruptions - David Turell, 2023-05-15, 19:45
        Far out cosmology: instability of orbits - David Turell, 2023-05-16, 18:51
        Far out cosmology: still Big Bang, not Big Bounce - David Turell, 2023-05-25, 00:49
        Far out cosmology: our universe expands into what? - David Turell, 2023-05-27, 18:11
        Far out cosmology: fine-tuned universe: - David Turell, 2023-05-27, 18:42
        Far out cosmology: very active Milky Way center - David Turell, 2023-06-02, 18:39
        Far out cosmology: space time is not curved - David Turell, 2023-06-03, 20:42
        Far out cosmology: Strange jets in Milky Way center - David Turell, 2023-06-04, 21:49
        Far out cosmology: our planetary arrangement is oddest - David Turell, 2023-06-08, 21:52
        Far out cosmology: we see only 5% of our universe - David Turell, 2023-06-10, 19:09
        Far out cosmology: perhaps no expansion - David Turell, 2023-06-21, 18:23
        Far out cosmology: the avoidance area - David Turell, 2023-06-22, 22:39
        Far out cosmology: finding gravitational wave hums - David Turell, 2023-06-29, 16:26
        Far out cosmology: tracking Milky Way neutrinos - David Turell, 2023-06-30, 17:14
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way is an oddball - David Turell, 2023-07-02, 15:54
        Far out cosmology: expansion rate measurement - David Turell, 2023-07-02, 18:18
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way ancient stars - David Turell, 2023-07-08, 17:52
        Far out cosmology: a new part of star evolution - David Turell, 2023-07-08, 23:12
        Far out cosmology: neutron stars - David Turell, 2023-07-09, 18:00
        Far out cosmology: from little to big - David Turell, 2023-07-22, 19:19
        Far out cosmology: magnetic fields origin - David Turell, 2023-07-27, 18:11
        Far out cosmology: finding missing mattter - David Turell, 2023-08-05, 16:43
        Far out cosmology: how spirals form - David Turell, 2023-08-18, 19:05
        Far out cosmology: solar system larger than known - David Turell, 2023-10-09, 17:35
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way's dynamic center - David Turell, 2023-10-11, 01:05
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way absorbs satellites - David Turell, 2023-10-14, 16:10
        
        Far out cosmology: how strange ice contributes - David Turell, 2023-10-15, 15:59
        Far out cosmology: hydrogen filaments every where - David Turell, 2023-10-17, 17:50
        Far out cosmology: space time right-handed - David Turell, 2023-10-24, 22:45
        Far out cosmology: oxygen appeared early - David Turell, 2023-11-09, 21:14
        Far out cosmology: making a planet with water - David Turell, 2023-11-11, 17:13
        Far out cosmology: JWST sees free floating stuff everywhere - David Turell, 2023-11-13, 21:29
        Far out cosmology: two Big Bangs proposed - David Turell, 2023-11-16, 20:02
        Far out cosmology: GAIA data do not support MOND - David Turell, 2023-11-17, 00:10
        Far out cosmology: spiral galaxies rarer than elliptical - David Turell, 2023-11-25, 17:38
        Far out cosmology: phosphorus at Milky Way edge - David Turell, 2023-12-01, 15:08
        Far out cosmology: new theory to join classical and quantum - David Turell, 2023-12-04, 20:41
        Far out cosmology: stars making heavy elements - David Turell, 2023-12-07, 20:16
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way bar has young stars - David Turell, 2023-12-13, 19:36
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way bar has a void - David Turell, 2023-12-18, 18:06
        Far out cosmology: when the sun dies - David Turell, 2023-12-20, 16:43
        
        Far out cosmology: stopping asteroids - David Turell, 2023-12-23, 16:16
        Far out cosmology: earliest galaxies go bananas - David Turell, 2024-01-09, 16:50
        Far out cosmology: expanding universe will not tear apart - David Turell, 2024-01-09, 19:59
        Far out cosmology: expanding universe will not tear apart - David Turell, 2024-01-15, 18:10
        Far out cosmology: Milky way formation and future - David Turell, 2024-01-27, 16:11
        Far out cosmology: early tiny galaxies clear fog - David Turell, 2024-02-29, 19:36
        Far out cosmology: why leap days - David Turell, 2024-03-02, 17:50
        Far out cosmology: standard model supported again - David Turell, 2024-03-04, 19:18
        Far out cosmology: string theory redux, dead - David Turell, 2024-03-09, 18:01
        Far out cosmology: Mars effect on Earth - David Turell, 2024-03-13, 17:53
        Far out cosmology: our weird black hole - David Turell, 2024-03-21, 16:46
        Far out cosmology: ancient star rivers Shiva and Shakti - David Turell, 2024-03-23, 14:11
        Far out cosmology: gravitational waves fostered human life - David Turell, 2024-03-30, 00:21
        Far out cosmology: DESI investigates the universe - David Turell, 2024-04-04, 17:07
        Far out cosmology: the wild Milky Way Center - David Turell, 2024-04-14, 16:16
        Far out cosmology: the missing lithium problem: - David Turell, 2024-04-20, 20:06
        Far out cosmology: early barred spiral galaxies - David Turell, 2024-05-04, 15:59
        Far out cosmology: magnetic fields around our black hole - David Turell, 2024-05-07, 18:20
        Far out cosmology: Hubble tension resolved - David Turell, 2024-05-28, 16:22
        Far out cosmology: Stephen Hawking and black holes - David Turell, 2024-06-18, 16:30
        Far out cosmology: close encounter of an asteroid - David Turell, 2024-06-22, 16:18
        Far out cosmology: planetary disc once a donut - David Turell, 2024-06-30, 14:40
        Far out cosmology: role of magnetic fields - David Turell, 2024-07-01, 19:15
        
        Far out cosmology: is there life on Europa - David Turell, 2024-07-02, 18:04
        Far out cosmology: how the universe lit up - David Turell, 2024-07-08, 16:59
        Far out cosmology: time is faster on the Moon - David Turell, 2024-07-09, 17:56
        Far out cosmology: will vacuum of space decay? - David Turell, 2024-07-22, 17:24
        Far out cosmology: how much water to make an Earth? - David Turell, 2024-07-22, 17:44
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way unusual - David Turell, 2024-08-17, 18:50
        Far out cosmology: black holes needed for life - David Turell, 2024-08-31, 18:45
        Far out cosmology: the Earth had rings - David Turell, 2024-09-18, 16:06
        Far out cosmology: recent supernova effects on Earth - David Turell, 2024-09-28, 17:17
        Far out cosmology: the Webb studies early galaxies - David Turell, 2024-10-04, 21:51
        Far out cosmology: Milky Way wrapped in magnetic fields - David Turell, 2024-10-11, 17:16
        Far out cosmology: large attraction basins and groups - David Turell, 2024-10-12, 00:34
        Far out cosmology: the source of meteorites - David Turell, 2024-10-17, 20:42
        Far out cosmology: the Milky Way is unusual - David Turell, 2024-11-21, 14:33
        Far out cosmology:survival with balance with the Higgs field - David Turell, 2024-11-21, 21:01
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