Far out cosmology (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, January 30, 2014, 15:23 (3948 days ago) @ George Jelliss


> George: The concept of anything pre-existing the universe, is just absurd. The universe is by definition everything that exists. So nothing can exist outside or before or after it. So the hypothesis of a first cause is also absurd.-I appreciate your discription of your own thought processes. but I can't let this one sit without commenting. If the universe is everything that exists, and it is without a first cause, then you are stating that the universe is eternal. What is before the Big Bang if the Big Bang created the universe? I think you must accept the proposition that you can't get something from nothing, and by this I mean true nothingness, not our spacetime with its quantum potential particles popping in and out of existence. There always has to be something to start with, and that has to be energy since what we have in our universe are forms of energy. Whether that energy is intelligent or not is the long debate dhw and I have had.