Far out cosmology (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, February 06, 2014, 22:38 (3730 days ago) @ George Jelliss

George: In my book "eternal" means "for all of time". 
> If there is no time eternal has no meaning.-This is where words and terms fail. My meaning is that there has always been a first cause which has existed timelessly. This is beyond our ability to describe in our words.
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> A Stenger quote: 'nothing' is as simple as it gets
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> With this I agree.
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> DT: this view, however, is clearly metaphysically absurd. True nothingness cannot have any properties whatsoever, including the property of instability.
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> George:This just shows that your concept of "true nothingness" does not exist. 
> It is a metaphysical fantasy, like a perfect circle.-Then you must agree there always has been something. I actually agree with you that there never was nothingness. We exist in something called a universe now, but it appears to have had a beginning. It was caused by something. Obviously we are all picking and choosing our own preferred cause.
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> DT: All you have stated is that Time began with the Big Bang. I agree. I have no problem with eternal timlessness until the Bang.
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> George: As stated above I do have a problem with "eternal timelessness". 
> This is an oxymoron. If there is no time there is no eternity.-In that sense you are correct. But there has always been 'something'.