Far out cosmology (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, January 08, 2014, 02:40 (3760 days ago) @ David Turell

Unless He always existed and created the universe from within Him. Panentheism. 
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I wanted to concentrate on this a little more. You're shifting goalposts. The only real difference between you and I, is that I really don't care if the universe's origin had an intelligent origin. Intelligence necessitates existence in the first place: Which means God before creation IS the universe. The very fact that you cannot present a counter argument to this, and the fact that you cannot present a counter argument to the concept that God + the Universe is simply the universe... and by extension that the "something from nothing" argument still applies, fully--smack-in-the-face-fully--to you... -
Well, I'll just wait until you can explain to me how a God that exists before the universe doesn't require a causal explanation.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"