Genome complexity: epigenetics in action (Introduction)

by dhw, Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:46 (2572 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: And my answer is constant, balance of nature for energy supply.
dhw: So once again you have God designing the weaverbird’s nest in order to supply energy so that life could continue until he produced humans. This is why I use the nest as my prime example. It doesn’t make sense.
DAVID: You've backtracked. You've admitted food energy supply is needed for evolution to continue. The nest is part of a eco-niche. The bush of life is made up of hundreds/thousands of them.

There is no backtracking. The fact that food is needed for evolution to continue and that there are hundreds of thousands of eco-niches provides not the slightest support for your insistence that every eco-niche was created in order to keep life going until humans could be produced! That is the whole point of this discussion.

DAVID: Our discussion help me to study the history and formulate final conclusions. I may wander around, but I've gotten to a firm point: God chose a long time to evolve humans, perhaps because He felt some limitations (but we can't be sure). To supply energy for life in a prolonged process He created the full bush of life with all its odd lifestyles including strange nests. Tony's point that God provided the Natures wonders also for our enjoyment may apply.

If your God exists, and since humans took a relatively long time to appear, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that God knew what he was doing and took a relatively long time to produce humans. The whole question is why! It is the rigidity of your two basic premises (humans as the sole purpose, to which everything else is related) that leads to all the “wandering around”, and your firm point is as wishy-washy as ever: he chose to take a long time and you don’t know why, but perhaps he was forced to do so by limitations (the opposite of choice), or perhaps not. Why not accept the possibility that there was no “delay” because your God simply didn’t set out to produce humans and/or everything else was not related to that purpose? As for “our enjoyment”, do you honestly believe that Nature’s wonders only arrived after humans appeared? Why not accept the possibility that Nature’s wonders were not for OUR enjoyment but for your God’s?