Evolution and humans: Neanderthal contributions (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, September 03, 2019, 17:46 (1906 days ago) @ dhw

Dhw: […] what makes you think your God is incapable of “conjuring up cell communities (“committees”) with an ability equal to brain work”? Cells do brain work! But you cannot accept the possibility that your God created them to do brain work. You have to have him doing all the brain work for them.

DAVID: The designing part of our body requires neurons. Your cell communities are not. What we know is they can make epigenetic adaptations, nothing more.

dhw: Our cell communities are not what? Neurons are also cells! Of course cellular intelligence as the driving force of innovation is only a theory, but epigenetic adaptations also require intelligence, so the idea is an extension of something that can be observed. My theory is a logical alternative to your own, which is equally unproven.

Your cells have no neurological abilities.

dhw: The debating trick is yours. If your God’s one and only purpose or goal had been to design H. sapiens, then of course he would have been dominated by his desire for humans. And therefore it makes no sense to have a purposeful God focusing on anything but his one and only purpose. I do not for one second believe that your God would be “foolish”. The foolishness lies in your insistence on a reading of his mind which you yourself cannot understand. [/b] (David's bolds)

DAVID: Note the bolds. Again a humanized God blinded by desire.

dhw: The first bold is simply a repetition of the emotive words you have substituted for God’s one and only purpose. A purpose is the thing you want to do, and so you would have expected a single purpose to be the single thing you want to do. Why don’t you respond to the argument instead of setting up this silly straw man?

DAVID: Yes He is purposeful but He has His own rationality. I don't try to understand God's mind because we cannot, but we can have theories about why He created what He created, about which you and I disagree.

dhw: And your theory is that you DO understand his mind: he had one purpose, and although he is always in control, he decided not to fulfil it directly but to focus on designing anything but the one thing he wanted to design. You don’t know why, but you do know that God’s logic is different from yours and mine.

Answered in the other panpsychism thread: "God needed to create the entire bush of life to provide food for the years He took to create humans. If He just created humans, how would they be able to live all by themselves? God understood the requirements. Your God doesn't because of His human thinking you have given Him." Entirely logical as an interpretation of God's thinking.