DAVID: Cosmology: milky way size is enormous (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 14:58 (7 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: […] please don’t tell us that ID supports your theory.

DAVID: But it does, as it supports design by all God does, even though His name is not allowed to be mentioned. I remind, my theory is an extrapolation of their theory.

dhw: Your theory is composed of several hypotheses.

My theory has one basic starting point: God chose to evolve humans by the process in historical evidence.

dhw: The only part of it that ID supports is the belief that life is the product of intelligent design.

And that can include design of all animal forms.

dhw: Every single theistic alternative that I have offered to your theory is also an extrapolation of that theory. But ID does not support the theory that a God designed an autonomous creative mechanism, or a God experimented in order to create H. sapiens, or a God only thought of H. sapiens late on in life’s history, or a God specially designed every life form because he enjoyed creating,

These theories of yours are simply humanized interpretation of God's intentions, not at all related to ID.

dhw: or – your theory - a God created every life form because he “had to” spend 3.5 billion years getting them to eat or not eat one another until he designed H. sapiens, and H. sapiens was the only thing he wanted to design.

Distortion: My view is God chose to evolve humans over time. Never 'had to'.


Tony: From a biblical perspective, many of the questions being asked are immaterial. It never claimed all things were created directly by God. Actually, the only thing mentioned being created directly by God was Christ, everything else was said to have been created at his direction using power granted by him. Additionally, why does the concept of humans, in our current form, have to have been fully conceptualized from the very beginning. Creating a self-aware caretaker may have been, but there is no need for that to have been the ultimate plan fully conceived right from the start.

DAVID: In the OT Genesis says He created everything directly in six days, now as accepted by most scholars 'Yom' is to be literally translated to six eons.

dhw: I’ll leave you both to squabble about the biblical account. Tony’s second point is entirely valid. Even if God exists, why assume that H. sapiens was fully conceived from the beginning, when the history of life shows no sign of humans until 3.5 billion years’ worth of non-human life forms have been and in most cases gone?

Tony's view is process theology.


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