Cosmology: milky way size is enormous (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 15:15 (14 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You claim to accept the idea that God had to right to choose to evolve life until He reached humans and then deny that He should have. Makes no sense.

dhw: He had the right to do whatever he wanted! What makes no sense is the claim that he specially
designed millions of life forms etc. extant and extinct although the ONLY thing he wanted to produce was humans, and he specially designed them anyway! You continue to ignore the fact that it is this COMBINATION of beliefs that is illogical. And yet you continue to agree that all the alternative hypotheses I offer you are logical.

We have simply repeated our same arguments. You cannot deny my simple point: God chose to evolve us. Humans were His endpoint. You argue He shouldn't have.

DAVID: To get from bacteria to humans required all the 'non-human elements'.

dhw: Did it? Then once again, please explain why. And please don’t say they all had to eat or not eat one another until your God could specially design the only thing he wanted to design.

DAVID: If God decided to create the bush of life to eventually create humans, that is what happened. You are saying God shouldn't have evolved humans

dhw: Of course I’m not. What “happened” was a vast bush of life forms etc., with humans the last (or latest) to arrive. That is the only historical fact. You keep glossing over the crucial question of why a God whose sole purpose was to create H. sapiens would create 3.5+ billion years’ worth of non-human life forms etc. Once more: I have proposed several theistic explanations, all of which you agree fit in logically with the history of life as we know it, but you stick to a hypothesis which leaves you, in your own words, with “no idea” why your God would have chosen the purpose and method you impose on him.

Repetition again. God chose to evolve us. His choice, and I don 't question His reasoning but you do.

Under “Human evolution”
QUOTE: "'I think showing how rare and special our planet is only enhances the case for protecting it," Schwieterman said. "As far as we know, Earth is the only planet in the universe that can sustain human life.'"

DAVID’s comment: I'm not surprised. Our planet has many fine-tuned and undoubtedly unique features. I suspect we are alone.

dhw: Which again raises the question of why your God, whose sole purpose apparently was to specially design humans, specially designed the billions of galaxies that are incapable of sustaining life.

DAVID: The response is obvious: we have a fine-tuned universe.

dhw: Do we? I thought we had a fine-tuned galaxy. In what way are/were the billions of non-life-bearing galaxies extant and extinct fine-tuned?

You are confused. it has always been seen as a fine-tuned universe.

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