DAVID: Cosmology: milky way size is enormous (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 15:01 (1971 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You refuse to accept that I think God chose to evolve each of His goals: a universe, the Earth, and life. That He made the choice is obvious. It is the history we see. As you don your theist hat, you suggest God did everything wrong.

dhw: No, no, no, no, no! I also believe in evolution, and so if there is a God, I also believe that he would have used evolution as his method to achieve his purpose! You simply refuse to acknowledge that the difference between us lies in your personal and disjointed interpretation of his purpose and method of achieving that purpose, as detailed above!

DAVID: If you accept that God did it the way He did, why is his method disjointed? I simply follow the history, and you cannot deny that the current endpoint product, humans, represents His purpose as it currently exists.

dhw: As always, you ignore the rest of your hypothesis, which is (a) that he started out with the intention of designing humans, and (b) that he specially designed billions of non--human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders before he specially designed humans. If his sole purpose was to design humans, why did he design the weaverbird’s nest plus the other billions of special designs? You can’t answer, so maybe he didn’t start out with the intention of designing humans, or maybe he didn’t design the weaverbird’s nest plus the rest.

Your version of my view of God does not recognize that I think God decided to create humans through the process of evolving them from bacteria. All the odd branches of the bush of life create econiches for food supply. Nothing illogical. You are simply disagreeing with what I think was God's methodology. You view of God is not my view.

DAVID: To repeat: the ID folks believe there was designer who designed everything in evolution. My theory is simply an extension of their declared belief. Since your knowledge of their writings is very second-hand, I cannot see how you can comment on their thoughts as you do.

dhw: I do not comment on their thoughts but on yours. I accept their argument and yours that the complexities of life favour the case for design. What do you mean by “everything” in evolution? Please enlighten me: which ID-er believes that your God started out with the sole intention of designing humans but specially designed billions of other life forms etc. so that they would eat or not eat one another before he specially designed the only thing he wanted to design? These are the illogical hypotheses I am commenting on, and you keep telling me that the ID-ers don’t deal with them!

They don't deal with my thoughts, which I have extrapolate from their beliefs. I've had a personal discussion with Behe, but we did not touch on these points.