Problems with this section; for Frank (Agnosticism)

by David Turell , Friday, November 27, 2009, 03:34 (5474 days ago) @ Frank Paris


> You're being very insulting. I'm not "carefully avoiding" anything. That would mean that I'm really not interested in the truth, but only in one-upping you. -You are using the old trick of the best defense is a good offence. I didn't insult you, as you interpret. You are avoiding issues; perhaps because you don't even realize they are issues, having a blind sense of what you think must be right. 
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> What I was doing in all innocence was trying to explain why the subjects report a continuous experience of walking down a tunnel, speaking with dead people they knew beforehand were dead who inform them of people who have died that they didn't know about (broken telepathy), and thinking they're walking into the afterlife only to be told that it is not yet their time. -Think about this. Why do so many people with an NDE have exactly the same event of walking down the tunnel? Some are told about a dead acquaintance. Others are simple told to go back. Many feel love and peace. Why do they always see the dead? The consistent pattern might suggest a built-in code in brain. Only a small number might experience your proposal of broken telepathy. Do you have any statistics on how many people are telepathic? I don't. Or are you proposing that every person with friends as a telepathic connection with them? I don't consider telepathy as supernatural. My wife has it and her powers at times are amazing (and described here awhile ago).
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> When people do that I immediately start thinking they're confessing their own sins: a case of Freudian projection.-Freud is very passé. All of us sin, but I'm not transferring anything to you. Relax. I'm just very precise and direct. What you and dhw are doing would drive me nuts.
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> "Operating room scenes are not passed telepathically."
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> How do you know that? That statement looks like it came right out of the blue, like sheer speculation on your part. It reads just like what you want to believe (wishful thinking), because it supports your religious beliefs.-My religious beliefs are my own invention, just like yours are for you.
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> In the extreme state of being near flat line, the brain may very well be receptive to telepathic "vibrations" or whatever they are. It seems to me that telepathic communications are much more probable than messages from the beyond.-The out of body experience the basilar artery lady had, has nothing to do with God or His beyond. This is an issue of her ability to discover actual events. I stated it was set up that she could not hear, she was in deep freeze with low blood pressure and low blood volume.-Her consciousness picked this up. How? Again, I don't know. Nothing supernatural. Very unexpected and very unusual. But van Lommel suggesting that the consciousness might still be coherently present despite a very disabled brain, acting separate from the body, is an interesting proposal. Your telepathy theory is just as weird as van Lommel's suggestion. Remember, this is not the only story of this sort. They are multiple. They require a scientific explanation, if possible. I'm not even sure how a proper investigation can be done with the OOB's. Many of them, as you will find if you search, have third party corroboration. -The lady who floated up to the third floor and saw a sneaker on a file cabinet top, shoe lace under the heel (!!!), through an outside window, while in the ER under myocardial infact resuscitiation. Attested to by a social worker and a psychiatrist. I can give names and particulars. Happened many years ago. In the literature. Telepathy. Not in this one, no way. A totally different experience than those I have told you before. This website is no place for me to tell you everything I have read and discovered. If you really want to learn about this, I can give you a bibliography, which will be about four years old. When and if I revise my book I'll look closely again.