Problems with this section; for Frank (Agnosticism)

by David Turell , Friday, November 20, 2009, 00:46 (5481 days ago) @ Frank Paris

"I guess you have to experience it to understand it."-The 'experience' I referred to is that you and BBella have had mystical events. I haven't. She responded to you immediately with understanding,as she said, because of her experiences. That is what she wrote.
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> Here's another post I responded to that never got posted. I'm getting sick of this. Why spend time answering when the posts get lost?
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> The point I made when I answered this is that you experience processes all the time. Since after all this you still don't even have an inkling of what a process is, merely experiencing process is not going to give you an understanding of what it is. Since my feeble explanatory powers are evidently absolutely incapable of getting through to you, your only hope is to go to original sources, like Griffin. If you're unwilling to spend the time to do that, then don't complain to me or anyone else that you "don't get it" and that you're unwilling to do some serious reading. Don't ask for explanations of it on this forum, either. You're just wasting everyone's time. On the other hand, that's why I believe a lot of people come up on these forums, just to waste time, because these forums are not much good for anything else.-I know full well what a process is. I watched disease processes all my life and curative process too. I just can't get my head around what has been offered by you. I am NOT complaining. It is not your fault. I'm not asking for any further explanation. So stop being so defensive or snide, whichever it is in your above paragraph. My concepts are perhaps too rigid. I told you I have to see how a gets to b, and understand it. What you have offered is an interesting and different approach to addressing the problem of 'is there a God, and what does science show us?'.- And, as I understand it, our individual concepts are not that far apart. I conceive of God as universal intelligence who thought up the universe, and I am conviced that the DNA, given by Him, is programmed to evolve life to us, giving us consciousness so that we can come to understand our creation and have comunication with Him. I think there is a joining with Him in an afterlife of thought, based on the early results of NDE research. He watches the process that is going on and may occasionally interfere. Since He thought up the universe and us, He encompases both and is inside and outside the universe, and that makes me a panentheist.-Where we differ is, I don't think chance is involved. Despite Matt lecturing me, I think the odds of what we have discovered in life's processes are too complex to have been developed as a result of chance development.