Purpose and design (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, April 27, 2017, 12:37 (816 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: […] perhaps you would clarify whether there is or is not a shift in your thinking. Do you now regard humans as A major purpose or as THE only purpose?
DAVID: No shift. The endpoint of evolution is the most complex organism ever evolved, humans. God might have other purposes. Can you suggest some?

Thank you. The acknowledgement that there might be other purposes is the shift I was referring to. I have suggested relief of boredom, which in your God’s case I would link to loneliness.

Dhw: Creating an introspective consciousness for no reason whatsoever tell us nothing about his purpose.
DAVID: I've given you a reason in the past: a conscious relationship. I have no reason to think He was bored, but I am sure He follows and watches what humans do. We are certainly unpredictable.

If he exists, I would expect him also to have followed and watched what everything else did before humans arrived. As for your idea of a conscious relationship, that ran into difficulties when you insisted that your God remained hidden and we must not “humanize” him. Not much of a relationship if the partner isn’t contactable and we have nothing in common.

DAVID: He may well be bored or lonely. We cannot know.

For the umpteenth time, we cannot “know” anything. It’s all speculation. Thank you for agreeing that relief of boredom and loneliness is a possible purpose underlying the creation of life on Earth. So much more productive than merely stating that humans were his purpose. For instance, it gives us an explanation for the astonishing variety of life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders extant and extinct, all of which are fascinating in themselves – a wonderful antidote to boredom – and we do not have to tie ourselves in knots trying to explain why God designed the weaverbird’s nest in order to keep life going till he designed the only thing he wanted to design, which was humans.

TONY Isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing,* but formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."
DAVID: I can certainly accept Isaiah, which supports my view. We humans are some of the inhabitants He envisioned creating.

I doubt if anyone on this planet would dispute that we humans are some of the inhabitants. How does that support the view that God’s only purpose was to produce humans and everything else was related to that?

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